Ratings Don't Matter (Proof!!)
Well here you go, suspicion confirmed!!
https://youtu.be/RVxPkMG832Y
And for the naysayers here you go:
https://youtu.be/0WAnok48CB0
https://youtu.be/RVxPkMG832YAnd for the naysayers here you go:
https://youtu.be/0WAnok48CB0 0
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Unfortunately, this was the case in NHL 15. I wasn't on gameplay that year but I was responsible for the gameplay that he was comparing to on previous gen when there was larger separation and have been for 16 and 17.
If you did tests now, you would see that although there have been changes to some core mechanics since last gen, that the overall balance and tuning of the game follows the same principles that I pushed last gen and there is good attribute separation. You can also ask the guys taking the time to tweak the sliders for their offline gameplay experiences which give an opportunity to show the range in the models in terms of what I call accountability. It is essentially the physical parameters of what you are trying to do mixed in with how attributes also play an impact. Some things in the online default settings such as pass receptions are more forgiving than I would personally like (due to feedback from the core community during 16) but the models themselves allow for good attribute separation -- the higher you bring the floor though (more forgiving tuning), the more compressed it will be.
In response to those videos you posted specifically, skating and deking have the separation we are after though. It was one of the first things I looked at when asked to return to gameplay for '16. We spent a lot of time on attribute variation in different mechanics as we looked at what would work for EASHL player classes as well that year.
And why did you leave after NHL 14 (if you are able to answer that)?
I was still on the NHL product, they just had me focus on presentation only for the first year on these consoles. Before that, I was doing gameplay and pres.
Working with the Gamechangers and looking at comments on this forum and other spots online, it seemed the harsh tuning on pass receptions was hurting another goal of ours which was to reward good team based gameplay.
I felt that our pass interceptions, pokechecks, hitting and incidental contact, were in a spot that we could loosen up the criteria on pass receptions themselves and still have balanced gameplay.
I don't think it is about catering to weaker players. It is about not giving people an excuse to not pass the puck
We track stats on the different player classes and see that attributes are causing a stereotypical result in the statistics when looking at a mass sample size.
When it comes to top level gameplay, there are a few things that factor in. People need to be more well rounded offensively and defensively so don't want to trade stick checking, hitting or pass interception ability for more pure offense, human goalies and their tuning (possibly reacting too fast to reaction based shots and getting sniped less than they should) and also players choosing what they 'think' works so following trends around them and adapting to those around them.
Speed being even (other than height/weight effects) increases the power of size, possibly disproportionate to the power of skill (shooting accuracy, passing, etc) and that has been talked about with the Gamechangers. It was a choice in 16 to not have a 'speed kills' game and focus on all other balance first. We may be in a place now where we can start to play with this again.
Every year we tune the game with what is currently available and try to make all attributes matter and still get a balance in offense vs defense and fun factor in all of it. Even when people had manual control over their attributes, they boxed themselves into two types of builds overall. We can't control what the community ultimately thinks will give them the best success but we do take it all into account when updating/adding new mechanics and tuning the existing game by tracking usage telemetry and statistical output across different skill ranges of players.
This is off topic but why does the puck gain so much speed when going down the ice for an icing ? I can't be the only one who thinks it's insane, you miss a pass that wasn't held long and if it misses the targeted player it goes down the ice and picks up speed as if it were a slapshot. Oh this game...
Because height/weight still have an effect. NHLDev mentioned this very recently too.
a 6'4 240lb guy with 90 speed will not be as fast as a 5'10 160lb guy with 90 speed.
And that's what's missing from this game, speed. That's why so many ppl are holding on to the puck for so long. It's too easy to dangle around.
Back in NHL 13, ya it was more of a straight line game, but that's what hockey is It's just players misreading their positioning and getting caught flat footed and left behind. But the biggest issue with the speed back then is that puck control and balance was just too high. The faster one was, the less balance and puck control they should have, but that wasn't the case in any of the games. Plus, there was no real way to control your speed properly. When you were moving your left stick, it would auto accelerate instead of just maintaining your current speed. If hustle was used, it should accelerate. And if you pull back slightly, you slow down. That's what's missing in making a proper speed/control management system.
As I see so many nhlers "winding up" with their speed by circling around with high acceleration to get to top speed, I wish I could do that in this game.
Two?
Please elaborate.
And "We can't control what the community ultimately thinks will give them the best success" - Sorry - but yes you can. You allow them to build their pro the way they want to.
I guess it doesn't matter. Apparently the "Gamechangers" decided this preset stuff was the best direction?
The game lost a like of shine here with that direction.
Gee, giving us a lot of credit there
Was that insulting?
It was a question.
Or are ya saying you guys had no input on that decision?