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HockeyCityUSA
500 posts Member
edited October 2018


So what do I have to do to make this pass? It seems like I have been leading my players more than usual. I have noticed this happening more and more as of late and I cannot figure out why it's occuring.

I usually have my pass assist around 75 which I feel pretty comfortable at, but I guess it was reset back to 100. Sobotka, the player making the pass, has an 84 passing attribute.

To put context to the replay, 7 seconds remaining, I'm losing 5-4. He passes the puck back and leaves my player WIDE open. So I turned quick and attempted to make the pass only for the puck to end up about 6-7 feet away from the intended player.

So again, with 100% pass assist and an 84 passing attribute, I am supposed to believe an NHL player cannot make this pass?

So I need some feedback, am I crazy? Should I have done something different? Do I not understand what pass assist is? I assumed that if the joystick were slightly off, the game would compensate and hit the closest player. Am I wrong to think that? I notice my left joystick is aimed more towards the goalie rather than to the player, but I would assume the pass would favor my guy rather than nothing at all...

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  • Kuus2
    209 posts Member
    edited October 2018
    The excuse will be it was a backhand pass, and it makes stats weaker.

    Kind of a coincidence I was just thinking about this recently. I have trouble passing past my opponents skates by pulling my stick back behind them, seems to always hit their skates because of that leading. Doesn’t the game allow bad passes anymore? I say bad, because the puck would land close to the targets skates.
  • Kuus2 wrote: »
    The excuse will be it was a backhand pass, and it makes stats weaker.

    Kind of a coincidence I was just thinking about this recently. I have trouble passing past my opponents skates by pulling my stick back behind them, seems to always hit their skates because of that leading. Doesn’t the game allow bad passes anymore? I say bad, because the puck would land close to the targets skates.

    Wait, if you pass on the backhand, your stats are reduced? Is that really a thing? I would be very disappointed if that is true. Many NHL players can go tape to tape on a backhand pass. I would never consider this being the reason why.
  • Kuus2
    209 posts Member
    edited October 2018
    Wait, if you pass on the backhand, your stats are reduced? Is that really a thing? I would be very disappointed if that is true. Many NHL players can go tape to tape on a backhand pass. I would never consider this being the reason why.

    Source:
    https://forums.ea.com/en/nhl/discussion/comment/1997963#Comment_1997963

    ”the backhand pass will be slower and less accurate than your forehand”

    I may have been wrong in saying it reduces your stats. But clearly forehand is preferable.
  • Kuus2 wrote: »
    Wait, if you pass on the backhand, your stats are reduced? Is that really a thing? I would be very disappointed if that is true. Many NHL players can go tape to tape on a backhand pass. I would never consider this being the reason why.

    I couldn’t find a source for you so consider it bull, I may have misremembered/misread something.

    An old tweet from 2017 actually said the opposite, that passes from backhand are more accurate.

    Maybe one of the devs can answer if they see the post. I just figured I am not understanding pass assist. That's the confirmation I am looking for. 100% pass assist, in my eyes, means the game will help in making more accurate passes. Meaning the game will try to hit the player closest to your aim.

    I turn mine down because sometimes when I am aiming for the point, the puck will sometimes go towards a player moving to the slot instead, this resulting in a turnover. So I think I know how it works, but maybe I don't haha
  • Kuus2
    209 posts Member
    Sorry, I completely retyped my message after I found the source, since there were no responses yet.
  • Well I still disagree if me being on my backhand is the issue. If it is, then I really do suggest this is something that should be fixed in the future.

    Here's a similar pass and goal except Calvert has a bit more pressure.

    https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/video/hannikainen-pots-calverts-pass/t-277437100/c-59385203

    This isn't some special one time thing. These passes occur all the time.

    What's funny is I have an easier time playing as a right handed player and making a backhanded pass for a one time shot from the left side, than when I make a forehand pass from the right. I don't know if that just made sense...I'm better passing from left to right rather than right to left...I'm assuming you get my point haha.
  • Funny if backhand is powered when passing because it's Completley overpowered on all the glitch backhands on breakaways. It's all kids do now.
  • Backhand passes were OP in 18
  • Backhand passes were OP in 18

    And once again they are OP in 19. I can't tell you how many times in the last 2 weeks that guys have hit their winger hanging just below the opposing blue line on a breakout and they charge up their sweet, super realistic back hand pass that goes 40 feet on a missile and yet the third guy high (manually controlled) directly in the passing lane can't pick up the puck. You see it now on just about every 2 on 1 rush and it's so OP that even if you cheat to take away the pass, to the point where you are chest to chest with the far side attacker, the pass still gets through and somehow shots are still getting off. This game is nothing more than 18 at this point with different cover art.
  • Backhand passes were OP in 18

    And once again they are OP in 19. I can't tell you how many times in the last 2 weeks that guys have hit their winger hanging just below the opposing blue line on a breakout and they charge up their sweet, super realistic back hand pass that goes 40 feet on a missile and yet the third guy high (manually controlled) directly in the passing lane can't pick up the puck. You see it now on just about every 2 on 1 rush and it's so OP that even if you cheat to take away the pass, to the point where you are chest to chest with the far side attacker, the pass still gets through and somehow shots are still getting off. This game is nothing more than 18 at this point with different cover art.

    I don't mean to try and break up the conversation, but I'm trying to figure out what's going on with pass assist. If backhand is so OP, then why did I not successfully hit my pass?
  • Kuus2 wrote: »
    The excuse will be it was a backhand pass, and it makes stats weaker.

    Kind of a coincidence I was just thinking about this recently. I have trouble passing past my opponents skates by pulling my stick back behind them, seems to always hit their skates because of that leading. Doesn’t the game allow bad passes anymore? I say bad, because the puck would land close to the targets skates.

    No the issue is that in the past 2 years they removed the backhand pass option unless you explicitly hold it out with your right stick on your backhand. This plagues the angles of this passing all of the time because the game figures "you're passing on a poor angle because your forehand pass has to be shoved out laterally away from your body". It's realistic. In real life you'd need to draw that puck inwards to shove it accurately outwards at that angle.

    Problem is, is that you clearly the puck is on the backhand when you initiate the pass but they squanderee the animation that was in previous years for this pass so instead of a nice and easy backhand pass that would have been accurate, it's now become an innacurate forehand pass.

    Thus leading to awful directioning. Thus nerfing passing in general. Thus resulting in yet another reason why not using teamwork is usually a more viable way of scoring goals in this game. Thus, removing hockey iq.
  • B-Bunny
    871 posts Game Changer
    edited October 2018
    You just missed the angle with the analog. Look how close your aiming almost exactly right on the analog. It should've been closer to where the yellow dot is to make the pass. Aka your aim is off. The game isn't going to overcompensate in this situation with online settings and sliders.

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  • Exactly, so what does pass assist really mean then? If I am at 100% pass assist, I assumed that meant it assisted me in making the pass. Is it not that cut and dry? I mean, I'm off by about 20°. I actually thought it was more when I first looked at it.
  • B-Bunny
    871 posts Game Changer
    edited October 2018
    It assists you with passes that are slightly off. In this case you're off by probably 40-45 degrees I'd say. And in a competitive game mode online, they can't just say 'here you are'. It's probably much more forgiving offline on rookie and pro with arcade gametype.
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  • I suppose. I just don't understand how it went in the exact direction I was aiming for if it were on 100% pass assist. That's why this doesn't make sense to me. Where would the puck go if I were at 0% pass assist? In my eyes, I was not assisted at all in this situation and the screenshot of my video you made proves that.

    Now if I made the pass and missed him by a foot or 2, then I would feel a bit better about this outcome. But Now I just have no idea what these percentages mean.


  • B-Bunny wrote: »
    It assists you with passes that are slightly off. In this case you're off by probably 40-45 degrees I'd say. And in a competitive game mode online, they can't just say 'here you are'. It's probably much more forgiving offline on rookie and pro with arcade gametype.

    Hate to break it to ya but you are terrible at guessing angles haha

    45 degrees is half of a 90 degree turn. He's off by maybe 18%. Also, there's a delay on the analogue stick display, as per one of the devs so we can't even use that to analyze if he was accurate or not this year.
  • B-Bunny wrote: »
    It assists you with passes that are slightly off. In this case you're off by probably 40-45 degrees I'd say. And in a competitive game mode online, they can't just say 'here you are'. It's probably much more forgiving offline on rookie and pro with arcade gametype.

    Hate to break it to ya but you are terrible at guessing angles haha

    45 degrees is half of a 90 degree turn. He's off by maybe 18%. Also, there's a delay on the analogue stick display, as per one of the devs so we can't even use that to analyze if he was accurate or not this year.

    I'm a math teacher, when I get into work, I will print off the picture and use my protractor to find the exact angle. B) (No nerd glasses, but close enough)
  • B-Bunny wrote: »
    It assists you with passes that are slightly off. In this case you're off by probably 40-45 degrees I'd say. And in a competitive game mode online, they can't just say 'here you are'. It's probably much more forgiving offline on rookie and pro with arcade gametype.

    Hate to break it to ya but you are terrible at guessing angles haha

    45 degrees is half of a 90 degree turn. He's off by maybe 18%. Also, there's a delay on the analogue stick display, as per one of the devs so we can't even use that to analyze if he was accurate or not this year.

    I'm a math teacher, when I get into work, I will print off the picture and use my protractor to find the exact angle. B) (No nerd glasses, but close enough)

    I'm an xray tech so I use angles all of the time for my work too haha.
  • B-Bunny
    871 posts Game Changer
    edited October 2018
    I suppose. I just don't understand how it went in the exact direction I was aiming for if it were on 100% pass assist. That's why this doesn't make sense to me. Where would the puck go if I were at 0% pass assist? In my eyes, I was not assisted at all in this situation and the screenshot of my video you made proves that.

    Now if I made the pass and missed him by a foot or 2, then I would feel a bit better about this outcome. But Now I just have no idea what these percentages mean.

    There comes a point where the game can't assist you no matter how high your % is because then you'll be making every pass despite actually missing every pass. Where would you draw that line? I draw it here in an online competitive environment.

    Also, need to go back to my acute and obtuse angles :sweat:
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  • I suppose. I just don't understand how it went in the exact direction I was aiming for if it were on 100% pass assist. That's why this doesn't make sense to me. Where would the puck go if I were at 0% pass assist? In my eyes, I was not assisted at all in this situation and the screenshot of my video you made proves that.

    Now if I made the pass and missed him by a foot or 2, then I would feel a bit better about this outcome. But Now I just have no idea what these percentages mean.


    Far as I know passing assists helps first and foremost (which is intrusive at 100%) getting a pass to an open player. That is why some people complain aiming for the slot and the pass goes to the blue line. At 100% the engine decides which player is best for you. Was this intentional, or a flaw in code? Who knows...

    It will help with the force of the pass, and auto saucer if need-be (again, at 100%). When the pass is clearly going to an open player passing assist will help with the general vicinity of the pass, but you still have fine-tuning on that aim that can apply according to your aim.

    Anyways, that's what I gathered from it and the reason why I keep it below 75. Correct me if I am wrong, manual saucers have 0 passing assist and are full manual.
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