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I am tired of hearing some awful player brag about his/her CR along with their position on the bogus leaderboards. It promotes said players to keep playing the way they play, eventhough they're usually the weak link on the team and have very little skill or ability. It gives them a false sense of awareness n promotes a toxic attitude when in fact they aren't very good. Why should I suffer getting my CR lowered because I don't want to waste 20 minutes of my life dealing w these players. I would like the option of backing out of the game and not be held in virtual prison just so my CR doesn't get trashed.

That being said, CR should be totally wiped and a new system should implemented for matchmaking. It should be based upon your DNF%, an accumulation of all 3 of your grades and how much time is spent playing online in EASHL.

The DNF% makes sense so all the rage quitters and people with poor connections who get kicked can all play together.
The grades makes sense because, although it isn't a 100% true indicator of how good you are, it's the closest thing that can evaluate how well you play online and with others in a hockey setting.
Time spent playing online in EASHL makes sense so people who play a lot don't get stuck with on a team with a weekend warrior.
This would have potential if all 3 were combined somehow and EA didn't mess up how the algorithm works.

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  • 100% agree.
  • CR is more your win/loss ratio. If you don't play dropins it should be a good indicator of how good you are. I only play clubs and when ever its against clubs with 600 or under cr the players are awful, 600-800 players are average to good and when the players are 800+ usually they are good. That cant be just a coincidence if cr doesn't mean anything like some say.
  • No way you have a CR over 600 and suck.
  • barrett098 wrote: »
    CR is more your win/loss ratio. If you don't play dropins it should be a good indicator of how good you are. I only play clubs and when ever its against clubs with 600 or under cr the players are awful, 600-800 players are average to good and when the players are 800+ usually they are good. That cant be just a coincidence if cr doesn't mean anything like some say.

    I think you just contradicted yourself
  • barrett098 wrote: »
    CR is more your win/loss ratio. If you don't play dropins it should be a good indicator of how good you are. I only play clubs and when ever its against clubs with 600 or under cr the players are awful, 600-800 players are average to good and when the players are 800+ usually they are good. That cant be just a coincidence if cr doesn't mean anything like some say.

    I think you just contradicted yourself

    how? i never seen a good player thats played enough games and are still under 600 cr being good. usually they are awful.
  • barrett098 wrote: »
    barrett098 wrote: »
    CR is more your win/loss ratio. If you don't play dropins it should be a good indicator of how good you are. I only play clubs and when ever its against clubs with 600 or under cr the players are awful, 600-800 players are average to good and when the players are 800+ usually they are good. That cant be just a coincidence if cr doesn't mean anything like some say.

    I think you just contradicted yourself

    how? i never seen a good player thats played enough games and are still under 600 cr being good. usually they are awful.

    If you play with a lot of bad randoms in drop-in or quit out of a lot of games, your CR will take a beating. I have played with sub 500 players who have been very good and I have played with players above 600 who are terrible. It is not a good indicator of skill level at all.
  • BassMan_PC wrote: »
    barrett098 wrote: »
    barrett098 wrote: »
    CR is more your win/loss ratio. If you don't play dropins it should be a good indicator of how good you are. I only play clubs and when ever its against clubs with 600 or under cr the players are awful, 600-800 players are average to good and when the players are 800+ usually they are good. That cant be just a coincidence if cr doesn't mean anything like some say.

    I think you just contradicted yourself

    how? i never seen a good player thats played enough games and are still under 600 cr being good. usually they are awful.

    If you play with a lot of bad randoms in drop-in or quit out of a lot of games, your CR will take a beating. I have played with sub 500 players who have been very good and I have played with players above 600 who are terrible. It is not a good indicator of skill level at all.

    It is I’d say 95% of the time
  • I am tired of hearing some awful player brag about his/her CR along with their position on the bogus leaderboards. It promotes said players to keep playing the way they play, eventhough they're usually the weak link on the team and have very little skill or ability. It gives them a false sense of awareness n promotes a toxic attitude when in fact they aren't very good. Why should I suffer getting my CR lowered because I don't want to waste 20 minutes of my life dealing w these players. I would like the option of backing out of the game and not be held in virtual prison just so my CR doesn't get trashed.

    That being said, CR should be totally wiped and a new system should implemented for matchmaking. It should be based upon your DNF%, an accumulation of all 3 of your grades and how much time is spent playing online in EASHL.

    The DNF% makes sense so all the rage quitters and people with poor connections who get kicked can all play together.
    The grades makes sense because, although it isn't a 100% true indicator of how good you are, it's the closest thing that can evaluate how well you play online and with others in a hockey setting.
    Time spent playing online in EASHL makes sense so people who play a lot don't get stuck with on a team with a weekend warrior.
    This would have potential if all 3 were combined somehow and EA didn't mess up how the algorithm works.

    More or less. Play D, and coach grades you as a Centerman.

    I can literally just stand beside the goalie, crouch on every shot, and even though we give up 6 goals, coach will reward my great play. Throw in a few hits, take no penalties, and teamplay grading goes up.

    CR and coach feedback are both completely useless.
  • barrett098 wrote: »
    barrett098 wrote: »
    CR is more your win/loss ratio. If you don't play dropins it should be a good indicator of how good you are. I only play clubs and when ever its against clubs with 600 or under cr the players are awful, 600-800 players are average to good and when the players are 800+ usually they are good. That cant be just a coincidence if cr doesn't mean anything like some say.

    I think you just contradicted yourself

    how? i never seen a good player thats played enough games and are still under 600 cr being good. usually they are awful.

    You stated CR was basically win/loss ratio then procede to describe a players general skill level based on their CR. Its contradictory because you can be a good player and still lose games. Let's agree to disagree and just both conclude that CR is stupid and shouldn't be in the game.
  • dirtydallas86
    4 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    I like that cr is a thing. It’s really the only stat I pay attention to (EASHL mostly). I rarely play with randos because so many of them are just terrible and it’s so frustrating. That’s why i don’t even bother dropping without playing with someone I know can hold a controller. Though, I might drop by myself if I knew what someone’s cr was before committing to a game - like if it showed up next to their name in the lobby or whatever. I don’t think I’ve played with a bad player who’s cr was in the 800s plus. Players in the 500s are usually trash unless they’re a second account or just starting (low level). I do get that if you’re pretty decent and all you do is drop with randoms, your cr is gonna fluctuate pretty heavily and probably take a beating but for the most part, I think it has a lot to do with someone’s skill. Mine is in the 1000s (I like to think I’m pretty decent haha; all 3v3 games). Aside from EASHL, for online versus, I think it def correlates with skill level even more so since you’re playing solo and don’t have anyone to help you so to speak. I wish they had online versus 3 on 3. I’d be all about that haha.

    Edited to remove swearing. - EA_Cian
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  • barrett098
    428 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    BassMan_PC wrote: »
    barrett098 wrote: »
    barrett098 wrote: »
    CR is more your win/loss ratio. If you don't play dropins it should be a good indicator of how good you are. I only play clubs and when ever its against clubs with 600 or under cr the players are awful, 600-800 players are average to good and when the players are 800+ usually they are good. That cant be just a coincidence if cr doesn't mean anything like some say.

    I think you just contradicted yourself

    how? i never seen a good player thats played enough games and are still under 600 cr being good. usually they are awful.

    If you play with a lot of bad randoms in drop-in or quit out of a lot of games, your CR will take a beating. I have played with sub 500 players who have been very good and I have played with players above 600 who are terrible. It is not a good indicator of skill level at all.

    i meant in clubs. i dont play drop ins. also pretty sure there is a way to filter stats based just on 6s/3s clubs only instead of drop in stats.
  • Put it this way my cr has ranged anywhere from low 300s to the high 600s playing almost 90% dropins. With the amount of errors and people quitting, trolls, and bad players it’s hard to keep it steady. Point I wanna make is my cr was at 320 last week and I am 3rd defenceman overall for the last month in dropins. Feel free to check! So even with a low cr I still made top 10 this month. Quality playing does not always = high cr!
  • Put it this way my cr has ranged anywhere from low 300s to the high 600s playing almost 90% dropins. With the amount of errors and people quitting, trolls, and bad players it’s hard to keep it steady. Point I wanna make is my cr was at 320 last week and I am 3rd defenceman overall for the last month in dropins. Feel free to check! So even with a low cr I still made top 10 this month. Quality playing does not always = high cr!

    Not trying to be a jerk but you do know the leaderboards are bogus right? In club it goes by games played, not your win/loss differential and for individuals, I believe it's the same, along with total points. Last year, super troll, Wired_Crazy was #1 dman on PS4. His +/- was over a negative 4000 something (-4???). There's a lot of so called leaderboards greats, which I've played with and against, that are not that good. I've played in top clubs since NHL13 and in comparison, the players on those leaderboards wouldn't even crack the third string lineup on an actual top club. For example, defense is my primary position. Quite a few years ago, on PS3, I was a top 100 forward in drop ins but in club, once we got to division 2, I couldn't hack it as a forward. I know my role/skill set and now just play forward in drop ins to feed the urge. I suppose the final verdict is that there is no clear cut algorithm that EA employs to actually determine a players actual skill except word of mouth and if you aren't in that circle, noone would know.
  • Not saying I’m great by any stretch but +\- means nothing in this game as your always gonna be on the ice as there is no line changes so your always getting a negative when a goal is scored cause your on the ice not sure if they base it on the same way the nhl does but if it is it’s meaningless in a game where your always on ice. And yes leaderboards are based on points which needs to be adjusted. I know the leaderboards mean jack too. Was making a point about cr being meaningless In dropins specifically.
  • Not saying I’m great by any stretch but +\- means nothing in this game as your always gonna be on the ice as there is no line changes so your always getting a negative when a goal is scored cause your on the ice not sure if they base it on the same way the nhl does but if it is it’s meaningless in a game where your always on ice. And yes leaderboards are based on points which needs to be adjusted. I know the leaderboards mean jack too. Was making a point about cr being meaningless In dropins specifically.

    I mean when a player has a +/- of that magnitude it kind of matters. Next time you get online go look at the +/- and see who the top 10 worst are. The guy I mentioned above has lead the entire PS4 world in that stat every single year since EASHL has been a thing.
  • Snapcaster1
    240 posts Member
    edited November 2018
    @TheAmazinqRacist see here’s the deal. If he’s on the ice for goals against he gets a minusand if the teams he gets allow more total goals against vs the goals scored (talking whole season)he’s always gonna have a minus. There’s no way around it. Clubs same way I’m never in the box. I’m on ice for all goals against. Even strength and shorthanded(the two that count for +\-)There is so many flaws with plus minus even in the NHL. Hard to apply it to a game with no line changes bro. Take ovetchkin for example we all can agree he is one of the best! And best goal scorers of all time! He also consistently has a terrible minus! Why? He’s on the ice for a lot of goals against. One season he had the worst minus in league still scored 40+ goals does it make him bad player I think not. It’s a terrible stat debated for years and tells you nothing of a players individual skill. Can simply be crappy luck by being on ice at wrong time. My minus in drop ins is not where I’d like it at all but I don’t consider myself a trash player all the points I have generated were real passes and goals. They where all placed, planned, aimed and legit goals and assists. Either one timers or skilled pinch in dekes or slappers. And I am very positional; my blocked shot stat for the last 30 days is decent aswell but I know that stat is broken too because so many of us block shots without the L1 that aren’t counted. Point being I’m an average dman with great hockey sense that doesn’t take penalty’s and can read plays well but have a terrible minus in dropins. This is my last comment as we are also off topic this thread is for CR
  • Agreed Snapcaster1, I have a very familiar tale. Although, I do not have a club affiliation, so I only have drop ins to my credit / discredit. I can hold a team down or off the board defensively, contribute 2 goals 2 assists in the win and get waxed 7-0 the next game by being paired with weaker players that clearly are only out fir their own stats and do not care about the win. That makes me a minus players with a high hockey sense, that plays a team style game, look very mediocre. My CR is 461 due to my career being a drop in career.
  • MHazz69 wrote: »
    Agreed Snapcaster1, I have a very familiar tale. Although, I do not have a club affiliation, so I only have drop ins to my credit / discredit. I can hold a team down or off the board defensively, contribute 2 goals 2 assists in the win and get waxed 7-0 the next game by being paired with weaker players that clearly are only out fir their own stats and do not care about the win. That makes me a minus players with a high hockey sense, that plays a team style game, look very mediocre. My CR is 461 due to my career being a drop in career.

    Exactally..+\- means jack squat in drop ins. I rest my case.
  • MHazz69 wrote: »
    Agreed Snapcaster1, I have a very familiar tale. Although, I do not have a club affiliation, so I only have drop ins to my credit / discredit. I can hold a team down or off the board defensively, contribute 2 goals 2 assists in the win and get waxed 7-0 the next game by being paired with weaker players that clearly are only out fir their own stats and do not care about the win. That makes me a minus players with a high hockey sense, that plays a team style game, look very mediocre. My CR is 461 due to my career being a drop in career.

    I feel your pain as a d man myself.

    I am usually teal and 2 nights ago, every single time we were in our zone, I swear blue and yellow were within a 10 foot radius of me, all game long. We got peppered 7-2 before they both quit mid 2nd period. We ended up losing 7-5. Funny how we only gave up one goal after those 2 heroes left.

    When I see teams like that, then sadly I convert my game and go for the most hits I can. Seeing as half the team are clowns, I might as well have fun on my end in a losing game.

    Cr, and +/- just gets destroyed. For every good group you get, there will be 3 or 4 horrible games.
  • @TheAmazinqRacist so ya also exploring the stats this morning the top 2 d in drop ins (last 30 days)are obviously trolls by looking at their stats but if you compare them to mine I mean goals vs assists how about the one guy with over 200 offsides and dnf%of50 and no blocked shots you can clearly see in my stat line I’m playing Defense and team play and they are trying to score goals and puck hog. Even the dekes attempted vs successful it’s clear they are not playing defense. It’s clear that I am! So the leaderboards do tell us some info. The one guy leaves if he’s losing half the time. Any good player looking at the leaderboard with knowledge of hockey can see my stats are legit and defensive.
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