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  • zingaa1
    399 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    [When you're a defenseman and your hits are nerfed so you do the next best thing]

    8VNkBX3.gif

    Poking here would be a penalty, so that's ruled out. So would a reaching stick lift. Ruled out. Positioning and hitting is all I have left. I think my positioning is great, and you'd think that my back-skating crossover would give me enough momentum to separate the puck from a guy who isn't skating and is just holding the puck away with a slow speed, off-hand protect. However, attempting to hit here not only does absolutely nothing, but slows me down and doesn't slow the forward down any.

    And some of you guys want to keep hits nerfed and slow the speed of the D.

    With that, you needed to be in front of the player more, you were already beat. Agreed a nudge should slow them down, but you have to admit, you were beat. I would have poked right when they received the puck at the blue line, but that's just me.

    [Socair - edited quote to reflect change]
    Post edited by Socair on
  • zingaa1 wrote: »
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    [When you're a defenseman and your hits are nerfed so you do the next best thing]

    8VNkBX3.gif

    Poking here would be a penalty, so that's ruled out. So would a reaching stick lift. Ruled out. Positioning and hitting is all I have left. I think my positioning is great, and you'd think that my back-skating crossover would give me enough momentum to separate the puck from a guy who isn't skating and is just holding the puck away with a slow speed, off-hand protect. However, attempting to hit here not only does absolutely nothing, but slows me down and doesn't slow the forward down any.

    And some of you guys want to keep hits nerfed and slow the speed of the D. GTFOOH.

    With that, you needed to be in front of the player more, you were already beat. Agreed a nudge should slow them down, but you have to admit, you were beat. I would have poked right when they received the puck at the blue line, but that's just me.

    And I've had plenty of moments where I wasn't beat and the hitting was just like that in clip. The tuners broke this game.

  • TheMajjam
    422 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    [When you're a defenseman and your hits are nerfed so you do the next best thing]

    8VNkBX3.gif

    Poking here would be a penalty, so that's ruled out. So would a reaching stick lift. Ruled out. Positioning and hitting is all I have left. I think my positioning is great, and you'd think that my back-skating crossover would give me enough momentum to separate the puck from a guy who isn't skating and is just holding the puck away with a slow speed, off-hand protect. However, attempting to hit here not only does absolutely nothing, but slows me down and doesn't slow the forward down any.

    And some of you guys want to keep hits nerfed and slow the speed of the D. GTFOOH.

    With that, you needed to be in front of the player more, you were already beat. Agreed a nudge should slow them down, but you have to admit, you were beat. I would have poked right when they received the puck at the blue line, but that's just me.

    Give me a break. The only part in that clip where I was beat was when I tried to hit/shove when he's literally next to me and perpendicular, it does nothing, and he rolls right by. Had I remembered this tuner was crap, I probably would've not tried to shove and just turned around to match his speed (since he's just gliding) and play it from there (... but as this game goes, the forward probably would have stopped and reversed on a dime and kept the play alive anyway). A poke anywhere at the blue line would have drawn a left leg trip (I do not take those chances in 3's). Lastly, leading a forward towards the boards and letting him close the gap to where I can take the body is the correct hockey play here. If I'm directly in front of him I run the risk of not reacting quick enough and he gets an inside shot. Worse, I try to just get in front of him, a well-timed deke at the top of the circles opens him up for an uncontested short side shot.

    Not seen here is the rest of the clip where the center back checks and protects the middle, like he should, and disrupts the play.

    Fact of the matter is, if my hit works there like it should, he gets hit off the puck and green skates in for the pick up.

    It's laughable, but sad, but I'm pretty sure that forwards here that think the defensive tools are too OP would also say this is the definition of getting beat and I have no business making a play here.

    My only mistake here is trying to, you know, play hockey like I do IRL.
    Post edited by TheMajjam on
  • zingaa1
    399 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    [When you're a defenseman and your hits are nerfed so you do the next best thing]

    8VNkBX3.gif

    Poking here would be a penalty, so that's ruled out. So would a reaching stick lift. Ruled out. Positioning and hitting is all I have left. I think my positioning is great, and you'd think that my back-skating crossover would give me enough momentum to separate the puck from a guy who isn't skating and is just holding the puck away with a slow speed, off-hand protect. However, attempting to hit here not only does absolutely nothing, but slows me down and doesn't slow the forward down any.

    And some of you guys want to keep hits nerfed and slow the speed of the D. GTFOOH.

    With that, you needed to be in front of the player more, you were already beat. Agreed a nudge should slow them down, but you have to admit, you were beat. I would have poked right when they received the puck at the blue line, but that's just me.

    Give me a break. The only part in that clip where I was beat was when I tried to hit/shove when he's literally next to me and perpendicular, it does nothing, and he rolls right by. Had I remembered this tuner was crap, I probably would've not tried to shove and just turned around to match his speed (since he's just gliding) and play it from there (... but as this game goes, the forward probably would have stopped and reversed on a dime and kept the play alive anyway). A poke anywhere at the blue line would have drawn a left leg trip (I do not take those chances in 3's). Lastly, leading a forward towards the boards and letting him close the gap to where I can take the body is the correct hockey play here. If I'm directly in front of him I run the risk of not reacting quick enough and he gets an inside shot. Worse, I try to just get in front of him, a well-timed deke at the top of the circles opens him up for an uncontested short side shot.

    Not seen here is the rest of the clip where the center back checks and protects the middle, like he should, and disrupts the play.

    Fact of the matter is, if my hit works there like it should, he gets hit off the puck and green skates in for the pick up.

    It's laughable, but sad, but I'm pretty sure that forwards here that think the defensive tools are too OP would also say this is the definition of getting beat and I have no business making a play here.

    My only mistake here is trying to, you know, play hockey like I do IRL.

    That's fine, we see it different, but if that was me I'd be apologizing to my teammates saying I got beat. BTW, the pucks already behind you at the top of the circles, which means you were out of position and the player knows this.

    A poke at the blue line when he received or the puck was on it's way, he would have never gotten into the zone, trust me I play D exclusively always have.

    If you don't agree with the poke method there, you could have kept him outside, let them make the decision, moved more towards the slot, kept him in front of you. Chances are his shot selection would have been the same, much easier to defend being in front of him.
    Post edited by zingaa1 on
  • Yeah..irl his positioning is fine. Plenty of room to plant a shoulder in the solar plexus..rotate into a hip check..Etc all viable given the positioning.
    All Comments pertain to 6v6 drop in unless otherwise stated..
  • TheMajjam wrote: »
    [When you're a defenseman and your hits are nerfed so you do the next best thing]

    8VNkBX3.gif

    Poking here would be a penalty, so that's ruled out. So would a reaching stick lift. Ruled out. Positioning and hitting is all I have left. I think my positioning is great, and you'd think that my back-skating crossover would give me enough momentum to separate the puck from a guy who isn't skating and is just holding the puck away with a slow speed, off-hand protect. However, attempting to hit here not only does absolutely nothing, but slows me down and doesn't slow the forward down any.

    And some of you guys want to keep hits nerfed and slow the speed of the D.

    [Socair - edited for profanity shorthand]

    Thanks for sharing this

    That cross check you delivered at the very least should have cause a stumble or something
  • ExSnake01
    454 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    Also that clip demonstrates how putting the puck on your forehand or backhand will make you immune to most hits.

    It only took EA 3+ months to do something about it. Why is the beta tuner only going to be temporary?
  • Yep.. also, I feel that people asking for a decrease in acceleration so that they can get away are misguided. The forward in the situation referred too should get his gap from the time it takes for a d to pivot and any momentum they may be carrying from how the play was broken up. It should take 3 strides for everyone to get to about 75% ..cause that’s life..and I’m being conservative...
    All Comments pertain to 6v6 drop in unless otherwise stated..
  • ExSnake01 wrote: »
    Also that clip demonstrates how putting the puck on your forehand or backhand will make you immune to most hits.

    It only took EA 3+ months to do something about it. Why is the beta tuner only going to be temporary?

    I also agree with TheMajjam. It should've nudge him more, especially if the puck carrier isn't even skating. It is too easy to "skate" with "protecting" the puck. I'm also guilty of doing this but I hate it.
  • jmwalsh8888
    731 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    as i've said 1000 times the problem is they don't use physics in hitting...not really. It's an "action" that they use various pieces of criteria to determine if it lands as a success or not. because of this, after their change to low impact 'hits from behind', if you don't hit some one square in the chest, or with considerable speed, it won't land.

    there is no FH/BH protective bubble. its about turning away from the hit. If I'm a LH RW and i skate in on the right side of a defender and then go FH towards the hit (essentially opening up my chest to the defender) I'll get crushed. Now if I turn away from his momentum, i cut down the actual speed of the impact considerably and make it less likely the hit "lands". but it has nothing to do with holding FH/BH and there is no bubble. it's that kind of talk that leads to opinions getting ignore.

    in this video, you are moving so slow horizontally you barely touch the skater. while i do agree it probably should have been more effective, you were basically beat as you stepped up at the blue line making your gap too small (mistake 1) and didn't poke check the puck away (mistake 2) then tried to recover by hitting him into the boards with very little sideways momentum. In real life can you probably pin him to the boards? Maybe but it's risky to try against good hockey players and proper play would be to maintain positioning and continue to stick check. of course this isn't real hockey and people think stick checking is "just fine" in this game. but that's because they have no idea what they are talking about.
  • GOW_LIKE_A_BOSS
    536 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    [When you're a defenseman and your hits are nerfed so you do the next best thing]

    8VNkBX3.gif

    Poking here would be a penalty, so that's ruled out. So would a reaching stick lift. Ruled out. Positioning and hitting is all I have left. I think my positioning is great, and you'd think that my back-skating crossover would give me enough momentum to separate the puck from a guy who isn't skating and is just holding the puck away with a slow speed, off-hand protect. However, attempting to hit here not only does absolutely nothing, but slows me down and doesn't slow the forward down any.

    And some of you guys want to keep hits nerfed and slow the speed of the D.

    With that, you needed to be in front of the player more, you were already beat. Agreed a nudge should slow them down, but you have to admit, you were beat. I would have poked right when they received the puck at the blue line, but that's just me.

    [Socair - edited quote to reflect change]

    He is definitely not beat until the game screwed him. He's striding into a gliding player either directly from the player's side, or from the side and slightly ahead of the player (it's hard to say which as the video stutters for me, but he's definitely not behind the carrier - ie. beat - when the hit should occur). The puck carrier should have lost the puck, or at the very least stumbled. That video is a perfect example of just one of the reasons why 1.03 is a disaster.

    I am super excited for the rollback, and I hope 1.03 never returns. 1.00 would be ideal.
  • zingaa1 wrote: »
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    [When you're a defenseman and your hits are nerfed so you do the next best thing]

    8VNkBX3.gif

    Poking here would be a penalty, so that's ruled out. So would a reaching stick lift. Ruled out. Positioning and hitting is all I have left. I think my positioning is great, and you'd think that my back-skating crossover would give me enough momentum to separate the puck from a guy who isn't skating and is just holding the puck away with a slow speed, off-hand protect. However, attempting to hit here not only does absolutely nothing, but slows me down and doesn't slow the forward down any.

    And some of you guys want to keep hits nerfed and slow the speed of the D. GTFOOH.

    With that, you needed to be in front of the player more, you were already beat. Agreed a nudge should slow them down, but you have to admit, you were beat. I would have poked right when they received the puck at the blue line, but that's just me.

    Give me a break. The only part in that clip where I was beat was when I tried to hit/shove when he's literally next to me and perpendicular, it does nothing, and he rolls right by. Had I remembered this tuner was crap, I probably would've not tried to shove and just turned around to match his speed (since he's just gliding) and play it from there (... but as this game goes, the forward probably would have stopped and reversed on a dime and kept the play alive anyway). A poke anywhere at the blue line would have drawn a left leg trip (I do not take those chances in 3's). Lastly, leading a forward towards the boards and letting him close the gap to where I can take the body is the correct hockey play here. If I'm directly in front of him I run the risk of not reacting quick enough and he gets an inside shot. Worse, I try to just get in front of him, a well-timed deke at the top of the circles opens him up for an uncontested short side shot.

    Not seen here is the rest of the clip where the center back checks and protects the middle, like he should, and disrupts the play.

    Fact of the matter is, if my hit works there like it should, he gets hit off the puck and green skates in for the pick up.

    It's laughable, but sad, but I'm pretty sure that forwards here that think the defensive tools are too OP would also say this is the definition of getting beat and I have no business making a play here.

    My only mistake here is trying to, you know, play hockey like I do IRL.

    That's fine, we see it different, but if that was me I'd be apologizing to my teammates saying I got beat. BTW, the pucks already behind you at the top of the circles, which means you were out of position and the player knows this.

    A poke at the blue line when he received or the puck was on it's way, he would have never gotten into the zone, trust me I play D exclusively always have.

    If you don't agree with the poke method there, you could have kept him outside, let them make the decision, moved more towards the slot, kept him in front of you. Chances are his shot selection would have been the same, much easier to defend being in front of him.

    There are a few reasons I didn't poke here.

    There have been instances where I have tried to poke loose pucks away from an incoming player, poking before the player has the puck, but while my stick it out the puck magnets to that player and I receive a trip. This is in a situation where the player is taking east/west and I'm skating north/south towards each other and he meets my stick.

    In situations where I am in front of the skater, if my outstretched stick can reach his feet while trying a poke, then it's a bad poke. I will -maybe- try to do it if I know the skater's tendency is to receive the puck and continue towards me with out using forward/backhand with the probability of poking the puck first. However, both these guys were seasoned P3 50's and like shifting in front of defenders to draw a poke.

    Secondly, if I try for a poke to disrupt before the pass gets to him and I miss, then I would have definitely been beaten since pokes slow you down and x2 if you're poking while trying to skate backwards.
  • as i've said 1000 times the problem is they don't use physics in hitting...not really. It's an "action" that they use various pieces of criteria to determine if it lands as a success or not. because of this, after their change to low impact 'hits from behind', if you don't hit some one square in the chest, or with considerable speed, it won't land.

    there is no FH/BH protective bubble. its about turning away from the hit. If I'm a LH RW and i skate in on the right side of a defender and then go FH towards the hit (essentially opening up my chest to the defender) I'll get crushed. Now if I turn away from his momentum, i cut down the actual speed of the impact considerably and make it less likely the hit "lands". but it has nothing to do with holding FH/BH and there is no bubble. it's that kind of talk that leads to opinions getting ignore.

    in this video, you are moving so slow horizontally you barely touch the skater. while i do agree it probably should have been more effective, you were basically beat as you stepped up at the blue line making your gap too small (mistake 1) and didn't poke check the puck away (mistake 2) then tried to recover by hitting him into the boards with very little sideways momentum. In real life can you probably pin him to the boards? Maybe but it's risky to try against good hockey players and proper play would be to maintain positioning and continue to stick check. of course this isn't real hockey and people think stick checking is "just fine" in this game. but that's because they have no idea what they are talking about.

    1.00



    VS

    1.03

  • as i've said 1000 times the problem is they don't use physics in hitting...not really. It's an "action" that they use various pieces of criteria to determine if it lands as a success or not. because of this, after their change to low impact 'hits from behind', if you don't hit some one square in the chest, or with considerable speed, it won't land.

    there is no FH/BH protective bubble. its about turning away from the hit. If I'm a LH RW and i skate in on the right side of a defender and then go FH towards the hit (essentially opening up my chest to the defender) I'll get crushed. Now if I turn away from his momentum, i cut down the actual speed of the impact considerably and make it less likely the hit "lands". but it has nothing to do with holding FH/BH and there is no bubble. it's that kind of talk that leads to opinions getting ignore.

    in this video, you are moving so slow horizontally you barely touch the skater. while i do agree it probably should have been more effective, you were basically beat as you stepped up at the blue line making your gap too small (mistake 1) and didn't poke check the puck away (mistake 2) then tried to recover by hitting him into the boards with very little sideways momentum. In real life can you probably pin him to the boards? Maybe but it's risky to try against good hockey players and proper play would be to maintain positioning and continue to stick check. of course this isn't real hockey and people think stick checking is "just fine" in this game. but that's because they have no idea what they are talking about.

    In what world are you living in where Majjam is "beat"? It's that kind of talk that leads to utterly disastrous gameplay this game has seen over the last 5 years. Skating literally parallel to the puck carrier driving him towards the boards/corner and delivering a shove/hit that has ZERO impact on the skater's momentum, angle, puck handling, etc. He did everything that a D man should do in this scenario outside of throwing a poke a check which in this game is 50/50 shot at that angle of drawing a penalty. Make sure to have some true analytics on the next video you comment on in these forums, good grief.
  • as i've said 1000 times the problem is they don't use physics in hitting...not really. It's an "action" that they use various pieces of criteria to determine if it lands as a success or not. because of this, after their change to low impact 'hits from behind', if you don't hit some one square in the chest, or with considerable speed, it won't land.

    there is no FH/BH protective bubble. its about turning away from the hit. If I'm a LH RW and i skate in on the right side of a defender and then go FH towards the hit (essentially opening up my chest to the defender) I'll get crushed. Now if I turn away from his momentum, i cut down the actual speed of the impact considerably and make it less likely the hit "lands". but it has nothing to do with holding FH/BH and there is no bubble. it's that kind of talk that leads to opinions getting ignore.

    in this video, you are moving so slow horizontally you barely touch the skater. while i do agree it probably should have been more effective, you were basically beat as you stepped up at the blue line making your gap too small (mistake 1) and didn't poke check the puck away (mistake 2) then tried to recover by hitting him into the boards with very little sideways momentum. In real life can you probably pin him to the boards? Maybe but it's risky to try against good hockey players and proper play would be to maintain positioning and continue to stick check. of course this isn't real hockey and people think stick checking is "just fine" in this game. but that's because they have no idea what they are talking about.

    I don't believe he got beat. Try to skate with backhand gliding like that and do you really think it shouldn't even slowed you down with someone touching(or hitting) you like that? It should have stopped his progression to the net. Doesn't need to necessarily lose the puck but at least, lose some momentum from the gliding and at least, nudge him a little.
  • It makes no sense why some people think that if you are on skates and a defensemen gets two hands on you that he will not be able to budge you even an inch. Hockey is not a figure skating contest, quite the opposite.

    Waiting for the beta tuner to return and I hope for all that is good figure skating and short side cheese hockey don't come back. Hopefully we've seen it for the last time.
  • LeFury_27 wrote: »
    It makes no sense why some people think that if you are on skates and a defensemen gets two hands on you that he will not be able to budge you even an inch. Hockey is not a figure skating contest, quite the opposite.

    Waiting for the beta tuner to return and I hope for all that is good figure skating and short side cheese hockey don't come back. Hopefully we've seen it for the last time.

    MRW I’m the greatest defensive player ever, and I can’t consistently play defense so the game MUST be at fault.


  • Juice1122334455
    15 posts Member
    edited January 1
    as i've said 1000 times the problem is they don't use physics in hitting...not really. It's an "action" that they use various pieces of criteria to determine if it lands as a success or not. because of this, after their change to low impact 'hits from behind', if you don't hit some one square in the chest, or with considerable speed, it won't land.

    there is no FH/BH protective bubble. its about turning away from the hit. If I'm a LH RW and i skate in on the right side of a defender and then go FH towards the hit (essentially opening up my chest to the defender) I'll get crushed. Now if I turn away from his momentum, i cut down the actual speed of the impact considerably and make it less likely the hit "lands". but it has nothing to do with holding FH/BH and there is no bubble. it's that kind of talk that leads to opinions getting ignore.

    in this video, you are moving so slow horizontally you barely touch the skater. while i do agree it probably should have been more effective, you were basically beat as you stepped up at the blue line making your gap too small (mistake 1) and didn't poke check the puck away (mistake 2) then tried to recover by hitting him into the boards with very little sideways momentum. In real life can you probably pin him to the boards? Maybe but it's risky to try against good hockey players and proper play would be to maintain positioning and continue to stick check. of course this isn't real hockey and people think stick checking is "just fine" in this game. but that's because they have no idea what they are talking about.

    In what world are you living in where Majjam is "beat"? It's that kind of talk that leads to utterly disastrous gameplay this game has seen over the last 5 years. Skating literally parallel to the puck carrier driving him towards the boards/corner and delivering a shove/hit that has ZERO impact on the skater's momentum, angle, puck handling, etc. He did everything that a D man should do in this scenario outside of throwing a poke a check which in this game is 50/50 shot at that angle of drawing a penalty. Make sure to have some true analytics on the next video you comment on in these forums, good grief.

    Except he killed part of his speed by looping left before moving towards the puck carrier and now he’s got to move his body back against the skating momentum to go right and catch up, effectively giving him half a step to walk by him. Had he just stayed in position the guy is forced outside.

    He absolutely had a lane to poke there as well, or even better would to have rb held and up on the RS putting the stick in the lane. No reason to push left on the puck carrier in that instance. That’s what cost him the step. Now should it have been zero body contact? No. Should the fwd have definitely lost the puck? No

    Bad read on pushing the puck carrier while they were attacking with speed but I agree some kind of body contact should have happened.
  • LeFury_27 wrote: »
    It makes no sense why some people think that if you are on skates and a defensemen gets two hands on you that he will not be able to budge you even an inch. Hockey is not a figure skating contest, quite the opposite.

    Waiting for the beta tuner to return and I hope for all that is good figure skating and short side cheese hockey don't come back. Hopefully we've seen it for the last time.

    I'm actually enjoying my 1.03 games in a perverse way. Every time I bounce off and get screwed I think about how my opponent won't be able to exploit that nonsense pretty soon lol
  • TheMajjam
    422 posts Member
    edited January 1
    I am dying laughing at people focusing on whether or not I should have poked or not. It's great to see so many people 100% certain I would have made that poke. Good for you. I don't take those chances though. I try to highlight that hitting is broken, and I did. Regardless of whether or not you think I'm a terrible defenseman for the play, I'm still a solo 850 CR D who is 16-0 in 6's and 3's in drops today alone. While that might not be crap to you, I think it is indicative of how I play and how I expect the game to work.
    Post edited by TheMajjam on
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