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Bring back the old progression/Attributes system in EASHL

normanethan
24 posts Member
edited September 25
This current crap has pretty much destroyed EASHL along with game development. It's so freaking boring now...

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  • Bringing it back would not change the gameplay or its issues in any way.
  • de4c0n_fr05t
    223 posts Member
    edited September 26
    Bringing it back would not change the gameplay or its issues in any way.

    It would be a step in the right direction, doesn't mean you DON'T do it.
  • de4c0n_fr05t
    223 posts Member
    edited September 26
    I've mentioned many time on here and reddit how we need to bring back many last gen options, here's my list again, feel free to add any ideas or shoot down mine if you think they're dumb or unnecessary:


    EASHL CUSTOM ATTRIBUTES FOR PLAYERS
    This one is simple, go back to what you had in NHL 14/15 (PS3/XB1)
    Simple as that. This format was far superior to what we have now. It gives you a far more diverse ability to fully customize your players abilities. There's so many diverse players in the NHL, this format truly lets us customize our players in the same way. I don't know why we got away from this, but we seriously need to go back to this format. I can't stress this enough, it was HUGELY improve EASHL for everyone.
    One note on this.. In NHL 15 you needed to build your way up to Legend 3 in order to get the full amount of currency to spend on your player, I believe it was 2500 points. We shouldn't go this route, every player should start with the full amount and not have to build up, so when we start our EASHL career we're not depleted skill-wise compared to people who have been playing longer. Keep the progression stuff for vanity items and aesthetics.
    custom-attributes.jpg


    CONTROLS
    For whatever reason you decided to change the button controls in NHL 18.
    I got used to using the old controller button setup since NHL 14/15 and you change some functions for no reason (I.E. the chop, hip check, goalie control).
    If you won't let us map our own buttons, at least have an option to use the older NHL 14/15 control scheme. For some reason you have an NHL 94 controller option that no one over the age of 12 uses.

    MATCHMAKING
    Definitely bring back the 12 man lobby, similar to what we had in NHL 14/15.
    In fact, instead of only having max 12 ppl in the middle (where 1 person can sit out to troll), have a max of 15-20 or even unlimited.
    If someone wants to wait in the middle and troll, the slots will fill and the game will launch leaving the troll still sitting in the middle.
    I don't know why games like to use this complex matchmaker system that rarely accomplishes its goal (balanced teams/games), especially with such a small playerbase further split with the new 3v3/ones/threes modes.
    The great thing about the 12 man room is you can re-launch another game right after, no waiting, same 12 players. Another great option was being able to create your own password locked room.
    A lot of the time everyone would sit in the middle, 2 guys would become captains (usually the goalies) and they would draft teams. Fun times.
    I'm not saying you should get rid of the quick play matchmaker, but definitely bring back 12 man lobbies as an option.
    I also don't like not being able to change my position once I'm in the lobby.
    Sometimes if I queue up as goalie, there's no goalie on the other side but we have a Dman slot open, I'll jump up and play D just to salvage the game so I don't have to quit and re-queue.
    12-man-lobby.jpg


    MANUAL GOALIE IN EASHL
    For reference I use Skill Stick, Goalie control: alternate, Precision default: off
    Trying to hug the post doesn't always work right away. In a scramble it leaves you vulnerable which isn't good. Also, once you hug the post (using RB/R1) you should be able to let go of RB/R1 to release the post (like in NHL 14/15). It's quicker for reacting to a pass out in front of the net.
    Sliding post to post while crouched, it doesn't always hug the post right away, sometimes you end up out in the crease. Seems to work properly only while standing.
    Side to side movement (without holding LB/L1 precision) is very jerky.
    When the goalie turns sideways and kicks off suddenly is very unrealistic and not smooth at all. It puts you too far over a lot of the time. It should be smooth side to side movement more like it was in NHL14/15.
    The puck arrow option has changed a bit from NHL 15 last gen. It shows the area that you have covered and also the area you are not covering with a different colour, that's a nice option. What I don't like is how the arrow only shows up when the opponent has the puck. It should be on the whole time the puck is in your zone, like before. If there's a scramble and the puck is loose this helps goalies track it easier.
    Capture.png

    Once you skate out to play the puck, skating back and turning around in your crease to face the play is clunky and slow. Trying to stop a dump in, which is super easy in the regular NHL goalies do it all the time, is terribly hard still in this game. Goalies skate slow and are clumsy outside the crease. To add to this, why can't we make a save attempt while outside the crease? If you get caught out of your net or turn it over while outside the crease, you can only skate. You should be able to skate(hold X/A) AND make save attempts(let go of X/A) outside the crease.

    NEW IDEAS
    -Custom camera view. Used to have it, please bring it back.
    custom-camera.jpg

    -One handed MANUAL dekes. Used to be able to do this in NHL 14/15, please bring back. In fact, stick handling should have more lateral movement, it's too tight in this game. Players feel too stiff when stickhandling, especially deking to the backhand.
    one-hand-deke.jpg

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    -Penalty box view change. Sometimes exiting the box you don't know where you are as the screen expands back out to your normal camera view. You should be able to keep that camera view the whole time while in the box.
    -Practice mode with friends (goalie/player). Right now there is no option to practice as a manual goalie and have my friend shoot on me 1 on 1.
    -Ones with friends. I should be able to load up a custom ones game with 2 other friends, both online & offline.(Not sure if NHL20 addressed this)
    -Turn off taunt sounds. I guess some people might like it, but I find them annoying and wish there was an option to turn them off like the other game sounds.
    -Add spectator mode for friends. Be able to spectate a game if they're mid game. I should be able to view my friends list, see a friend who is currently in a game, and select an option to either view his game, or join his game/team if there's room, replacing a CPU player.
    -I'd like to see a rematch option, if you have a close fun game it'd be nice to vote to rematch after. Majority vote I guess?

    BUGS/FIXES
    -Nerfed hitting. Way too nerfed. Hitting was a bit OP in NHL14/15, so a balance between NHL14/15 and NHL 19 would be great.
    -Bump checks. Bumps cause WAY too many turnovers. Players lose the puck to being bumped far too much, often from players smaller than them. (seemed better on NHL20 beta)
    -Tripping. This changed in NHL 18 when you introduced the defensive stick idea. Now when you poke check, unless you control your stick with the right analog stick, the players stick goes right for the legs. Before this change, you aimed your pokecheck simply by the direction your player was looking (left analog stick). It was much simpler and lead to way less penalties. Simple fix, the initial poke should be directed where your player is facing by default, like it used to be.
    -60 second Timer clock (next game) at the end of the game is unnecessary, get rid of it. I'll quit the game when I want I don't need a hurry up timer. (not sure if NHL20 fixed this)
    -Cant invite friends in practice mode to practice with. For example: Should be able to load up a free skate practice with 2 friends, one as player and one as goalie. Preferably online & offline.
    -Cant test out custom world of chel players in practice mode before using them in a real game. Used to be able to.
    test-on-ice.jpg

    -Shots on goal from outside the blueline are unrealistically inaccurate. Accuracy should get progressively worse the farther away you shoot, not just outside the blueline.
    -Club search match room size.. should be exact OR more, instead of just exact.
    -Goalies too slow, both in skating and movement. (detailed above)
    -Be able to join games in progress (as an option). Players crash and quit all the time, would be a nice option to have games fill up while playing. Also be able to invite friends to current games if there is computer players.
    -Drop-in Arena(s) & Teams. You should have a selection of different rinks to play in, including the outdoor rink. Not necessarily NHL arenas and teams, could be different arenas and teams from Europe or even AHL. Spice it up, the same arena and teams every game gets boring and makes EA look lazy.
    -I think injuries should last longer. Sometimes they should last the whole game, depending on the hit or shot block. They used to last the whole game every time, but that caused people to quit. Minimum should be a full period (20 min), maximum entire game.
    -Skate foot protectors should prevent your player from being partially paralyzed or at the very least prevent injury if blocking a shot on the skate. Otherwise what's the point of equipping them?
    -Bring back skate blade curve options and stick flex/curve options from NHL15 that affects your skating/shooting. The more customizable your player is the better. Makes for a more unique experience.
    stick-amp-skate-custom.jpg

    -Request position swap while in the lobby. It used to be easy, you'd just ask someone through the mic if they wanted to change positions. But most people are in party's now and won't hear you. Maybe have an option to click their name which would trigger a popup asking for a position swap. Can only send it once to reduce spam, 10 second timer so it doesn't linger and delay the start of the game.
    -If you're determined to stick with the Hockey bag idea, please allow an "open all bags" option.
    -Skating over the opponents stick, by accident or not, checks the puck off their stick. It happens way too much, more so than any other NHL game I can remember. If you combine this with the bump checks it's like there's no puck control in this game. Can these be adjusted on the fly with the tuners? If so please do it immediately. Funny enough, this is the safest way to get the puck off the opponents stick with the way the pokecheck/tripping is setup.
    -Players and Goalies should be able to play without a helmet/mask. I know there's a bug in drop-ins and one in club that allows players to play helmet-less. Both goalies and players should be able to show off their beautiful hair, why not it's just a video game. Goalies too, have an option for no helmet/mask, at least for drop-in.

    BUGS
    -Missed slapshots. I don't mean one-timers. Skating with the puck and either stopping and trying to take a slapshop, or taking a slapshot while skating. You miss the puck way too much, this shouldn't happen. (not sure if this is still a problem in NHL20)

    NEW MENU IDEA
    -In the dressing room it would be nice to see a picture of everyone's player model as well as their on-ice name. I made a quick photoshop picture for an example
    Untitled-1.jpg

    MORE IDEAS/FIXES
    -A simple vote to kick option while in-game would be nice, it's implemented in other online multiplayer games and works great. When the vote comes up maybe it should show the players stats too, like how many times he went offside, his AFK time, team play %, etc. Should also be able to write comments when suggesting a player to kick, basically to give a few details on why you want to kick them.
    -Should be able to change controls (Hybrid, Skill Stick) in EASHL mid game without having to take a timeout or wait until the intermission.
  • All your good stuff here

    I remove all the stuff you wrote to reduce clutter but I agree on most of it. A few things stuck out to me. One of which would be an EASY fix programming wise and a huge quality of life change for new game.

    OPEN ALL MY HOCKEY BAGS...SKIP ALL ANIMATIONS ANS JUST OPEN MY STUFF.

    Or better yet auto open my bags at the end of the game when I get them. Like COD when you unlock something it shows up in a screen at the end of the match.

    I don't like holding up the team to open bags so end up letting them accumulate and when I finally decide to go look there are way too many to do. I already have 33 bags unopened this year. I likely won't open them.
  • snip

    A lot of good stuff here. Some things I'd like to add:

    - Ability to exclude the previous team from club search.
    - Exclude teams with X number of players from club search. We'd rather play against humans instead of 2s and 3s.

    I'll just copy&paste a previous comment of mine. This would obviously require some adjustment depending on your control scheme. (Side note: why can't we customize which button does what?):

    "Speaking of things we used to have, I'd love to have R1/RB back as the desperation save button, and then use RS instead of LS for the saves. You could then give the goalie options to modify the save with LS.
    For example:
    LS left/right + RS down = seal off the respective post with the spread eagle.
    LS left/right + RS up = diving poke with the stick to that side.
    LS up/middle/down + RS left/right = dive high/middle/along the ice, making it much more likely for you to save it if guessed correctly, etc."

    This would allow you to be ready to either slide or do a desperation save by having your thumb on the RS and index finger on your R1,
    Casual goalie gameplay: https://t.co/tQnYxAsyKy
  • Daddy5B wrote: »
    snip

    A lot of good stuff here. Some things I'd like to add:

    - Ability to exclude the previous team from club search.
    - Exclude teams with X number of players from club search. We'd rather play against humans instead of 2s and 3s.

    I'll just copy&paste a previous comment of mine. This would obviously require some adjustment depending on your control scheme. (Side note: why can't we customize which button does what?):

    "Speaking of things we used to have, I'd love to have R1/RB back as the desperation save button, and then use RS instead of LS for the saves. You could then give the goalie options to modify the save with LS.
    For example:
    LS left/right + RS down = seal off the respective post with the spread eagle.
    LS left/right + RS up = diving poke with the stick to that side.
    LS up/middle/down + RS left/right = dive high/middle/along the ice, making it much more likely for you to save it if guessed correctly, etc."

    This would allow you to be ready to either slide or do a desperation save by having your thumb on the RS and index finger on your R1,

    Yup I prefer the old controls, they changed in NHL18 for the worse.
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    I loved this in particular, and MUST BE IN THE GAME
  • No thanks....
    It’s not fun playing against a whole team of garden gnomes with 99 speed.
    Boring!!!
  • No thanks....
    It’s not fun playing against a whole team of garden gnomes with 99 speed.
    Boring!!!

    Speed was never 99, it was 90 max.
    You would rarely see a team with 5 small players, if anything it was just 3 small forwards.
    Big deal, they were easy to hit, even with a medium sized player.

    It was most definitely not boring, what we have now is boring, that's why they keep changing it and adding new classes each year. Eventually they will realize they had it right 5 years ago.
  • No thanks....
    It’s not fun playing against a whole team of garden gnomes with 99 speed.
    Boring!!!

    What difference does it make this year? All players are skating around like they had their rocket skates from previous years given a NOs boost. LOL!
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