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kitchener_boy
354 posts Member
edited November 2019
Why is everyone wasting so much time and energy on this games flaws?. Did you expect anything good from EA?. It's a video game,if you didn't like the games from previous years ,you would not have been buying it this year! Correct?.
Hey I just got Legacy, and it has flaws, but am I on here whining about it? NO! Sorry about your luck if you bought the games plus your PSN suscription to play it,cause if you really truly have no other reason but to keep buying EA hockey titles year after year just to cry about it on here,you would not have bought it cause you love it!.
In my honest opinion..I think EA should keep on doing what their doing cause really I loved NHL 15 OFFLINE XBOX ONE..and should make ONLINE as that without tunners.
Sure EA needs improvements to better defend..but it's not EA ruining the games..it's you! the ones who keep giving them your money.

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  • WainGretSki
    3660 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    Why is everyone wasting so much time and energy on this games flaws?. Did you expect anything good from EA?. It's a video game,if you didn't like the games from previous years ,you would not have been buying it this year! Correct?.
    Hey I just got Legacy, and it has flaws, but am I on here whining about it? NO! Sorry about your luck if you bought the games plus your PSN suscription to play it,cause if you really truly have no other reason but to keep buying EA hockey titles year after year just to cry about it on here,you would not have bought it cause you love it!.
    In my honest opinion..I think EA should keep on doing what their doing cause really I loved NHL 15 OFFLINE XBOX ONE..and should make ONLINE as that without tunners.
    Sure EA needs improvements to better defend..but it's not EA ruining the games..it's you! the ones who keep giving them your money.

    So instead of coming here to complain about the game, which is in fact, what you are saying about everyone here, you instead come to the forum of the game to complain about people complaining?

    Second of all, why in the hell would you come here to complain about a 5 year old game where there is absolutely no chance of any of it getting fixed??? You really think just one single EA employee will spend an actual second on fixing Legacy??

    I get what you are trying to say, but structure is everything my friend.
  • Why is everyone wasting so much time and energy on this games flaws?. Did you expect anything good from EA?. It's a video game,if you didn't like the games from previous years ,you would not have been buying it this year! Correct?.
    Hey I just got Legacy, and it has flaws, but am I on here whining about it? NO! Sorry about your luck if you bought the games plus your PSN suscription to play it,cause if you really truly have no other reason but to keep buying EA hockey titles year after year just to cry about it on here,you would not have bought it cause you love it!.
    In my honest opinion..I think EA should keep on doing what their doing cause really I loved NHL 15 OFFLINE XBOX ONE..and should make ONLINE as that without tunners.
    Sure EA needs improvements to better defend..but it's not EA ruining the games..it's you! the ones who keep giving them your money.

    No...just..no. that is all
  • Why is everyone wasting so much time and energy on this games flaws?. Did you expect anything good from EA?. It's a video game,if you didn't like the games from previous years ,you would not have been buying it this year! Correct?.
    Hey I just got Legacy, and it has flaws, but am I on here whining about it? NO! Sorry about your luck if you bought the games plus your PSN suscription to play it,cause if you really truly have no other reason but to keep buying EA hockey titles year after year just to cry about it on here,you would not have bought it cause you love it!.
    In my honest opinion..I think EA should keep on doing what their doing cause really I loved NHL 15 OFFLINE XBOX ONE..and should make ONLINE as that without tunners.
    Sure EA needs improvements to better defend..but it's not EA ruining the games..it's you! the ones who keep giving them your money.

    So instead of coming here to complain about the game, which is in fact, what you are saying about everyone here, you instead come to the forum of the game to complain about people complaining?

    Second of all, why in the hell would you come here to complain about a 5 year old game where there is absolutely no chance of any of it getting fixed??? You really think just one single EA employee will spend an actual second on fixing Legacy??

    I get what you are trying to say, but structure is everything my friend.

    They're not fixing legacy. Heck we can't even get them to fix the current game lol
  • VeNOM2099
    3178 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    Why is everyone wasting so much time and energy on this games flaws?. Did you expect anything good from EA?. It's a video game,if you didn't like the games from previous years ,you would not have been buying it this year! Correct?.
    Hey I just got Legacy, and it has flaws, but am I on here whining about it? NO! Sorry about your luck if you bought the games plus your PSN suscription to play it,cause if you really truly have no other reason but to keep buying EA hockey titles year after year just to cry about it on here,you would not have bought it cause you love it!.
    In my honest opinion..I think EA should keep on doing what their doing cause really I loved NHL 15 OFFLINE XBOX ONE..and should make ONLINE as that without tunners.
    Sure EA needs improvements to better defend..but it's not EA ruining the games..it's you! the ones who keep giving them your money.

    Nothing I can do about someone gifting me the game for my birthday. Believe me if it was up to me I would've spent even this 40$ my wife got this... abomination for and spent it on some other more worthwhile game. Like Destiny 2!

    At least Bungie still gives a crap about their core game, even though it's rife with microtransaction nonsense like almost every other game out there.

    If you loved NHL 15 then you should purchase 20. It's AS bad as that game was (gameplay wise) so it'd be right up your alley! :p
  • kitchener_boy
    354 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    I said nothing about fixing Legacy.
    Yeah,I aM COMPLAINING About complainers. I don't need to flood these forums about the games cause I knew what I was buying, so I got no right to complain when I know EA's track record.
    EA doesn't care to fix the NHL 20..it's a filler. All you guys do is copy and paste the same issues every year just like EA copies and paste their games yearly. Would you buy the same make of car if your previous ones kept breaking down on the road?
    Personally I like Legacy..but remember this, It's what you guys type about the games that has made me wait. You got two options..do your homework before purchasing buy or dont buy.I did my homework close to all say bad about the game..but the ones who say bad about the series have kept on buying every year!.
    I appreciate Bens and the rest of the Dev's team effort. Just wished you made the scoring more rewarding with hard working play, not the same glitches.
  • Yeah,I aM COMPLAINING About complainers. I don't need to flood these forums about the games cause I knew what I was buying, so I got no right to complain when I know EA's track record.
    EA doesn't care to fix the NHL 20..it's a filler. All you guys do is copy and paste the same issues every year just like EA copies and paste their games yearly. Would you buy the same make of car if your previous ones kept breaking down on the road?
    Personally I like Legacy..but remember this, It's what you guys type about the games that has made me wait. You got two options..do your homework before purchasing buy or dont buy.

    Hmmm, you say we come here to complain about the same things all the time and that it is pointless. Yet, those same complaints are the reason you haven't purchased the game.

    So, with that being said, how can you claim it is pointless for people to complain? Complaining is never pointless. Sure, some people lack alot of structure in their complaints, but there is still validity within those complaints.
  • Peaceh
    58 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    Victim blaming doesn’t get us anywhere. We are a passionate fan base for hockey and are starved for a fun game version. EA has used false advertising and lies to continue to push the limited sales. If you don’t think complaining to the people who make this game is any help, how is victim blaming any better? How is letting these companies off the hook for saying they are releasing a full and good game. I really want and wish to stick it to ea by not buying there game, however I can admit I am weak, my love for hockey and it’s current set of players (I follow/watch players from juniors so pretty awesome to see them succeed in the nhl) is stronger then the knowledge of how crappy ea is. If I had a good alternative then ea is dropped forever. I already stopped buying all of their other products, just nhl is my mistress and I won’t leave her!

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  • kitchener_boy
    354 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    How much more abuse do you want to put the Dev team through? You feel victimized? well don't buy the games. That's why I didn't. If you want change? hold off for a year or two cause the old games work online just as well. I stood behind you guys by not buying...you didn't follow.
    Speak with your wallets, thats how you get other people to make games. Heck I keep hearing alot about"Bring 2k back" well they were never any better really. Let the dev's work it out and if they can't? well they can close shop cause you and whatever thousands of people stopped buying games from them. I don't see anything being done since release so..figure it out.
    I really don't see much promise going into ps5 ...sorry but I don't. Two of my friends are real pationate Fiffa fans and play it hardcore but refuse to buy the new ones..they say they not as good,and that's Fiffa..EA across the board has gotton worse from what I understand.
  • Peaceh
    58 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    We would rather not abuse the dev team but praise them. They would love to be praised if their development cycle was better and the leadership or funding wasn’t leading them down a dark path.

    Saying “just don’t buy it because that’s what I did” is less useful then the rocks in my driveway, at least those rocks can hold some substance. As I tried to explain in my post but maybe I word it better, ea is taking advantage of the people who are so desperate for a hockey game. It is not within us to not buy the game. I would be more willing to have a discussion on addiction over this high horse crap you are saying to people who bought a product and complain when that product does not live up to the hype the company that made it claims.
  • WainGretSki
    3660 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    No, I do not feel victimized. As long as I have ideas that I consider worthy to be heard and think would advance the game, then I will continue to share them here. The day I disappear is the day I have had it.

    You don't even own a PS4 and you seem to think Playstation plus is another factor to consider for this game. Well, it isn't. You need it for any game you wish to play online. Plus it gives you 2 free games every month. It more than pays for itself over time. You need to spend $500 to play NHL 20. I can play NHL 20 from anywhere around $40 to $90, depending on when and how I buy the game. Apples to oranges my friend. Also, buying it used is still no money towards EA, which in a way counts as a lost sale. I have never spent a single cent in HUT, and I never will. I don't even care for the free packs they hand out in hockey bags. I really could not care any less for that game mode.

    Lastly, not buying the game won't change a damned thing because HUT keeps making more money every single year. As long as HUT keeps making more money, EA will continue to take this as good feedback and stay on the tracks they are on. The fact that you and/or 13 of your friends have refused to buy the game is absolutely pointless.

    From all the years I have played EASHL it seems every year the player pool is getting smaller, yet EA is making even more money than they did previous years. Game sales mean nothing if they are making more money in other ways with the same franchise.
  • kitchener_boy
    354 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    Well..like I said in other threads..NHL 15 was a fun game current gen offline. I liked the feel of it,it was fresh,but HEY! TUNERS KILL IT. Yeah I don't feel like sending 500.00 bucks on a console plus PSN or Gold if you all say how bad the online community is with cheating and trolls..congrats to me that I am still a customer of EA on a system that still brings me joy with no aditional cost..cause I almost bought the ps4 two years ago but guess what? the forum say's,and all they say was bad things about how EA lied about this this and that!. That makes that 500.00 bucks last for the next gen now.
    When I was playing XBOX ONE demo;s of NHL 15 and kept going back to play it..you know I was seriously looking to buy the PS4 version. I thought they had a sale with me. Mayby if EA would stop tuning.. we would all be happy huh?.
  • Let the dev's work it out and if they can't? well they can close shop cause you and whatever thousands of people stopped buying games from them.

    Also, even tho it could be done in more of a constructive way. Wouldn’t you say working together to make the best product available is the way to go, so all the complaints have actual merit. I am one who fixes and makes things good instead of just walking away from something I love. And as you say, if everyone stops buying ea nhl and they close shop now what? There is no other nhl game so now there is nothing. We are forced to make our 1 option good so really I applaud those willing to stand up for what they want.
  • Well..like I said in other threads..NHL 15 was a fun game current gen offline. I liked the feel of it,it was fresh,but HEY! TUNERS KILL IT. Yeah I don't feel like sending 500.00 bucks on a console plus PSN or Gold if you all say how bad the online community is with cheating and trolls..congrats to me that I am still a customer of EA on a system that still brings me joy with no aditional cost..cause I almost bought the ps4 two years ago but guess what? the forum say's,and all they say was bad things about how EA lied about this this and that!. That makes that 500.00 bucks last for the next gen now.

    Well, I am sincere when I say I am happy for you. I truly am. But I play EASHL only. For that reason alone, any other game than NHL 20 is borderline useless. I do not want to play with the same remaining 26 people every night. Sadly, almost everyone jumps ship for the next version. You want variety in your opponents and/or team mates? Then you must buy the next version. Pretty simple really.

    If all I played was offline, I would have dumped this franchise years ago.
  • kitchener_boy
    354 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    You'll be amazed..Legacy has like close to 200 people.
    I don't mean to sound like I am bashing you all..that's not my intent. I just think you know..if you know the game is what it's been the year previous..why do some of you need to pre order just to be angry at EA?.
    It's not really anyones fault that EA forums have all post about negative things in the game..that's EA's fault.You shouldn't be the game testers.
    Cheers.
  • VeNOM2099
    3178 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    It doesn't always have to be that way. You know which company turned things around because their community complained and they listened? Codemasters.

    A few years back, when I was heavily into the F1 Community (because EA's NHL wasn't my thing), Codemasters was releasing some great Formula One games which culminated with the Awesome (at the time) F1 2013. Then the following year, the game was toned down. Features were missing that we had the previous years. Gameplay suddenly was off. Multiple game crippling bugs were left unfixed because patching/tuning was also reduced because of a... small dev team. Sound familiar?

    The other excuse F1 fans were given is that the team was in a transition period because the next game was being made exclusively for the then "next gen" consoles like PS4 and XB1. The following year, F1 2015 came out and it was a shadow of what the game used to be. People complained. Once again we were told the same old excuses. Small dev team. Small budget. Small customer base.

    What happened then? People complained even more. If the excuse we were given is that the game has a smaller team making it, why were we asked to pay full AAA game price for it when more than half the usual features were missing? But not just the nobodies like you and me, but the big content creators who spent a lot of time and effort to promote their games online, making actual Grand Prix events that lasted days with hundreds of participants in racing leagues. Until codies went and banned one of them who had been very vocal about his displeasure on the forums. Well naturally the people revolted on the forums and made Codemasters review their philosophy on the game: it's ok to take a few liberties with your license. But when you're trying to make an F1 game, you MAKE an F1 game. People don't buy your game because it's Codemasters. They buy it because it's supposed to be an F1 game.

    Next thing you know they hired a new community manager who created a dialog with everyone and especially the content creators to see what the community wanted to make the game feel better to them. The following year they released F1 2016 and thanks to the community feedback it was a completely different game. It went from a total disaster of a game to something truly special and really deserving of the "F1" logo. It's been like this for the last 4 versions of the game and each year it gets better and better.

    So you see, you don't need to boycott a game when you're not happy about it. We should just be able to have a discussion (this is a discussion FORUM after all) and let the devs know WHY their game is wrong and they should FIX IT! People buy your game because they want to play HOCKEY, whether NHL hockey or Amateur or whatever. They don't buy the game because it's EA Sports. People couldn't care less who makes the game, they just want to play hockey, not EA hockey.

    EA didn't create hockey. Hockey existed before EA, hundreds of years before EA so stop trying to rebuild the mold. Once EA understands that, maybe things change, but it won't happen by itself. People need to let EA know.

    And that's what we're doing here: we're letting them know.
  • VeNOM2099 wrote: »
    It doesn't always have to be that way. You know which company turned things around because their community complained and they listened? Codemasters.

    A few years back, when I was heavily into the F1 Community (because EA's NHL wasn't my thing), Codemasters was releasing some great Formula One games which culminated with the Awesome (at the time) F1 2013. Then the following year, the game was toned down. Features were missing that we had the previous years. Gameplay suddenly was off. Multiple game crippling bugs were left unfixed because patching/tuning was also reduced because of a... small dev team. Sound familiar?

    The other excuse F1 fans were given is that the team was in a transition period because the next game was being made exclusively for the then "next gen" consoles like PS4 and XB1. The following year, F1 2015 came out and it was a shadow of what the game used to be. People complained. Once again we were told the same old excuses. Small dev team. Small budget. Small customer base.

    What happened then? People complained even more. If the excuse we were given is that the game has a smaller team making it, why were we asked to pay full AAA game price for it when more than half the usual features were missing? But not just the nobodies like you and me, but the big content creators who spent a lot of time and effort to promote their games online, making actual Grand Prix events that lasted days with hundreds of participants in racing leagues. Until codies went and banned one of them who had been very vocal about his displeasure on the forums. Well naturally the people revolted on the forums and made Codemasters review their philosophy on the game: it's ok to take a few liberties with your license. But when you're trying to make an F1 game, you MAKE an F1 game. People don't buy your game because it's Codemasters. They buy it because it's supposed to be an F1 game.

    Next thing you know they hired a new community manager who created a dialog with everyone and especially the content creators to see what the community wanted to make the game feel better to them. The following year they released F1 2016 and thanks to the community feedback it was a completely different game. It went from a total disaster of a game to something truly special and really deserving of the "F1" logo. It's been like this for the last 4 versions of the game and each year it gets better and better.

    So you see, you don't need to boycott a game when you're not happy about it. We should just be able to have a discussion (this is a discussion FORUM after all) and let the devs know WHY their game is wrong and they should FIX IT! People buy your game because they want to play HOCKEY, whether NHL hockey or Amateur or whatever. They don't buy the game because it's EA Sports. People couldn't care less who makes the game, they just want to play hockey, not EA hockey.

    EA didn't create hockey. Hockey existed before EA, hundreds of years before EA so stop trying to rebuild the mold. Once EA understands that, maybe things change, but it won't happen by itself. People need to let EA know.

    And that's what we're doing here: we're letting them know.

    Starts slow clap ......
  • VeNOM2099
    3178 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    I forgot to mention: one of the main reasons the revolt started (aside from them banning one of the Top Drivers) was that the devs had come on the boards and basically said something to the effect that: it's a video game and they had creative rights to do what they wanted, how they wanted and if we had a problem with how the game played, it was obviously OUR fault for not playing how they expected us to play their game.

    I even showed them a clip of me running race in Autralia and keeping my car in the racing line, but the AI driver would come from behind and ram me off the track on turn 11-12. The dev's response was that it was MY fault because my car was slower... Never mind that an actual F1 driver would still slow down to avoid the collision and then pass me on turn 12 being the faster car... I even tested driving wider or narrower on turn 11, same results, the AI would aggressively turn into my car and send me flying. My fault...

    Sound familiar?
  • VeNOM2099 wrote: »
    I forgot to mention: one of the main reasons the revolt started (aside from them banning one of the Top Drivers) was that the devs had come on the boards and basically said something to the effect that: it's a video game and they had creative rights to do what they wanted, how they wanted and if we had a problem with how the game played, it was obviously OUR fault for not playing how they expected us to play their game.

    I even showed them a clip of me running race in Autralia and keeping my car in the racing line, but the AI driver would come from behind and ram me off the track on turn 11-12. The dev's response was that it was MY fault because my car was slower... Never mind that an actual F1 driver would still slow down to avoid the collision and then pass me on turn 12 being the faster car... I even tested driving wider or narrower on turn 11, same results, the AI would aggressively turn into my car and send me flying. My fault...

    Sound familiar?

    I don't know if it sounds familiar or not, but definitely sounds like a skill gap situation.


    Git gud on turn 11. :wink:
  • You'll be amazed..Legacy has like close to 200 people.
    I don't mean to sound like I am bashing you all..that's not my intent. I just think you know..if you know the game is what it's been the year previous..why do some of you need to pre order just to be angry at EA?.
    It's not really anyones fault that EA forums have all post about negative things in the game..that's EA's fault.You shouldn't be the game testers.
    Cheers.

    I am not surprised to see that there are still 200 people playing Legacy. But it seems logical those are people that haven't purchased any current gen hockey.

    Get on the PS4 and see how many people are left playing 18, or 19 and you will see, it is not worth it and you essentially have to buy the next version.

    I know you are not bashing us or anything like that. But to be fair, your original post in this thread does come off as condescending so maybe that's why there's a bit of hostility in the thread.
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