Think he just means if you think the game is rigged by dda, don't buy it. Speak with your wallet.
Personally imo, the more likely explanation for things people experience are just bad programing/physics/animations combined with horrible servers.
Those things explain 100% of everything attributed to dda. No conspiracy required. That or its a simple case of Hanlon's razor. I'd like to give the devs the benefit of the doubt though.
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I don't see how it could be financially driven when there's no way to spend anything extra in EASHL and OVP. When it comes to HUT, why are there people that continually perform well in D1, HUT Champs, etc, without buying points?
When we ask for video, it's not with the hope people are too frustrated. We get lots of videos and they're easy to submit. I'm asking for video so we can find out why you think the game is scripting your wins. Speaking of, what is your record? Do you win a lot more than you lose or vice versa? If you have a lot more wins than losses, and you believe in this theory, it means the game is taking over and scripting those wins. Do you feel you're not good at the game so it is forcing those wins with the hope you'll buy packs?
LOL. See this once again is exactly why the animus relationship exists between the community as a whole and you/others here. It's exactly what I posted about above.
So because two of the online modes aren't monetized that means the entire logic of using DDA as a mechanism of monetization is proven false? When you and everyone else knows that we're talking about HUT? Who said anything about required a P2W team in order to be successful? Certainly not me. I said it's a mechanism to push users to spend money on the game. Oh, and you know who else said that? Your own company when they patented the process.
And here is another fatal flaw in your argument. Why do you assume that the people arguing about the existence of DDA and it being the reason we lost are unaware of when it helps them win? I'm sure many are but those who look at things critically are absolutely aware including me. I've apologized to other people when it was clear I had no business winning because of DDA on several occasions. I've also had that said to me.
And lastly, once again, you're saying that the argument people are using is that games are scripted and so if you were to put down the controller it would lead to the same result. That's not how DDA works and nobody who is knowledgable on the subject would say that at least for the most part. We know that there are games where we are going to lose. Sometimes we don't know until part way through. Or we know at the beginning, decide to stick it out, then end up winning. That's the point of Dynamic Difficulty and how it will Adjust based on certain variables throughout (or sometimes at the beginning) of the game.
But feel free to keep saying it's scripted from beginning to end. It's an easier argument that way.
I mentioned the other modes because it's been brought up as existing there as well. If you want to believe this is some conspiracy to get people to buy packs, that's your prerogative. We have absolutely no reason to have DDA in the game. We have denied it's in NHL and our other sports games for a very long time. There is nothing programmed into the game to force one side to win or lose. We wouldn't want to play that kind of game ourselves and I have no idea why anyone would even want to if they thought the outcome was completely up to the computer.
I think when you give up and decide you're going to lose, that's going to happen. This is also known as confirmation bias. Yes, you mentioned it before as one of the excuses we give for this topic and credence is being added to that with that comment. Whether you think the game is scripted or changes dynamically according to the computer thinking one side is going to spend money if they lose, it doesn't change the fact that it's completely false.
Think he just means if you think the game is rigged by dda, don't buy it. Speak with your wallet.
Personally imo, the more likely explanation for things people experience are just bad programing/physics/animations combined with horrible servers.
Those things explain 100% of everything attributed to dda. No conspiracy required. That or its a simple case of Hanlon's razor. I'd like to give the devs the benefit of the doubt though.
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Yeah more near the truth. But there is some argument about ice tilt that just makes me allergic. One is defenetly when you try to blame EA for that reason you spend money on the game. After the first month in every new edition I get a pretty clear picture on how good the game is and how much im willing to invest. If the game good, its more fun to put money to the game. If you hate the game, why bother your own economy.
And if this "super programmera" can create some kinda ice tilt, why just dont save some time and make the progress short and create the perfect hockey game that we all can love, insteed of making a game we all have diffrent feelings for.. I don't really get it together.
If EA wants people to believe it doesn't exist they HAVE to make the game play more consistently. CPU players can play SO bad some games and other games be perfect. They position so bad but do things that humans CAN'T! Here I am rage posting again as I just played with two 500 cr players. In threes. We run into a team with a CPU at C. He makes 6 goals for them. He intercepted EVERY cross crease pass. He had a forcefield around him when I went to slam him into the boards (meanwhile my guy just ran into the wall beside him because I couldn't hit him) he shot 6/6 dunno what his takeaways were but I know I poked it 4-5 times and stick lifted him 3. I didn't get the puck from him a single time. When a CPU plans to win they will win. If you aren't allowed to hit them, you can't take the puck from them, they can pick off any pass near them and know your button presses, they shoot perfect, pass perfect there is almost NO way you can win. I dunno if tilt exists or w/e but I do know that CPU's DO play differently from game to game. Some games they just completely takeover and their teammates can be completely irrelevant and they will carry. Other tines they still defy all rules that human play by but play much more passively. They will pass off walls for no reason, not pass when called for, skate up and shoot the puck directly into the goalies chest, not position themselves to take away the cross crease pass, they will be easier to hit somehow. It makes almost no sense.
Have you noticed that 90% of the problems with this game come from AI? Fix them or at least limit them in WoC and you have a playable game for a good portion of the player base. I'm not saying forget the HUT community but at least it's 5 CPU vs 5 CPU at any given time. In EASHL it's almost always more on one team and it seems if you're not playing with GREAT players then the team with more CPU players will find a way to win.
Maybe some sort of match my lobby for every mode needs to be added? Almost ANY fix to allow players to play with and against more humans would make this game better. The pure lack of ability to program the CPU to play correctly makes this game unplayable. It's unreal they're allowed to play against humans. It's almost like the worst player ever in some shooter game playing with aimbot or mouse and keyboard. They're clueless but because they don't play by the same rules they just have an insane upper hand. They're beatable but it's more frustrating than enjoyable.
I just want to put some conclusion into this. We have a lot of forum posts regarding poor A.I. gameplay and certain glitches that have existed for years but gotten worse, that need to be addressed and fixed ASAP! Playing Defense in this game is impossible lately because of certain things players are doing to cheat the game. Why not look into this and try to attend to these issues? NHL 18 was one of the best games so far, compared to NHL 19 and 20. These constant glitches are driving us mad.
The 'problem' with 20 is that you got more liberty to do what you want, but with freedom comes responsibility, and becuse no one really seem to care if you play 'hockey' and win or if you, literally, do anything thats not hockey, and win, the problem is a fact.
But hopefully EA see how we take advantage of the game and comes up with a counter move.
The 'problem' with 20 is that you got more liberty to do what you want, but with freedom comes responsibility, and because no one really seem to care if you play 'hockey' and win or if you, literally, do anything that's not hockey, and win, the problem is a fact.
But hopefully EA see how we take advantage of the game and comes up with a counter move.
Honestly just frustrated with this game. Had a guy rag the puck behind his net for 2 periods. He was waiting for me to attack so he could get an outlet to break my offense and defense. For some reason I have my defensive strategy set so my D-men stay back but unfortunately the LD just pinches to the red line and he is a 99 overall DD. I then got puck possession off the draw and scored 4 goals on this player. After my game was over I got a DNF and he got the W. Check his games and all his wins are DNF Wins. Pretty odd if you ask me... I recorded my gameplay also as I usually do.
Yes it definitely has its moments. I have more or less taken summer break with the game, just a few games a week - this has led to the effect on me that I dont care as much when people I play do there best to act unsportsmanlike.
Im just lurking around, waiting for some news about 21, that can get me excited!
When I read there’s still doubters about DDA or icetilt I just don’t get it. Maybe we are not playing the same game. Of course, EA will always deny it, otherwise they would face a huge number of lawsuits. They can’t admit they put it in the game so that more players keep playing it. When I read EA’s people saying that there’s not gain for them to make their gamers unhappy? That’s not what DDA is all about. It’s about making less skilled players happy enough so that they keep playing the game and making sure the frustration of skilled players is not too high so that they also keep playing the game.
Look at this one below; 48 shots (that hit the net). You guys probably say, what are you complaining about, you won 5-2.
Well,the game was 3-2 until my opponent pulled his goalie with one minute left. I then scored on an empty net and another goal with 27 sec left from a bad angle. In a real hockey game, I would have scored 12-15 goals. But EA’s DDA made sure to keep the score close. It was just ridiculous. Until he pulled his goalie, with all the chances I missed, I was certain he would comeback and tie the game.
When I read EA’s people saying that there’s not gain for them to make their gamers unhappy? That’s not what DDA is all about. It’s about making less skilled players happy enough so that they keep playing the game and making sure the frustration of skilled players is not too high so that they also keep playing the game.
Sounds like a risky play with high stake. How do they decide who will win, when two less skilled players match up? Wouldnt it be best for all, you, me, EA and everybody else if the one with best skill win, no matter who is playing. If the matchmaking work, less skilled players go up against eachother and vice versa. And everyone stay happy.
The last clip, first of, crazy thing to do by the goalie, he must be suicidal, but your goalie interference saved him this time. It isnt suppose to work that way, rightly or wrongly, goalie can't suppose to play out the puck everytime, eventually the game can't catch up and something like this happen.
Well here's a clip for you. I just played an 85 overall team and I could not score a single goal. Ended up loosing in the shutout. The guy overskated me the entire game except in overtime.
Well here's a clip for you. I just played an 85 overall team and I could not score a single goal. Ended up loosing in the shutout. The guy overskated me the entire game except in overtime.
I have never experienced an overall gameplay so scripted in my life. I don't necessarily believe that outcomes of games are ultimately being determined by the script, but the game has been programmed to allow goals to go in in at certain times of game to fit a narrative. There is absolutely no fun in that. There is basically zero competition in this game because of this. There is no randomness, the game is so predictable at times it's ridiculous. For instance, i'll be in 3's drop in and we'll be clearly dominating a game going into the 3rd period up 4 or 5 goals, and all of a sudden every single shot by our opponent will go in, no matter how bad a quality of shot it is just to get them back in it, and you know it's coming. There are just so many more examples of this. In this day in age, it's just so disappointing and aggravating that this is the type of garbage we have to deal with. EA should be embarrassed and utterly ashamed for releasing this product.
What would be the point in forcing you to lose or win? It really makes no sense at all. The outcome of games is based on the inputs from the humans holding the controller, the ratings of the players on the ice and strategies being used. There's nothing going on behind the scenes that reads the minds of everyone playing and forcing the outcome so one side is more inclined to keep playing.
LOL the Ai with this game is the biggest issue.
Ai literally wins teams games in EASHL 3s all the time. Ive build guys to destroy the Ai hit him he falls Bounces right back up like one of of those Inflatable Tube men. Lift the Ai stick he lifts yours like 5 times in a second to get the puck back. Ai skating backwards some how puts his stick out and takes it off you without doing anything it's like a magnet. Build my guy to be insanely fast Ai out skates me . Up by a goal team comes down on 2on2 I'm covering the pass Ai has the hit lined up what does he do takes the worst tripping penalty.
You say the Ai is basic two way defender. Yet he can out hit has the best balance of any player type out skates everyone never loses the puck can magically intercept the puck with out even seeing the pass. Can lift your stick through your body poke check through legs. The list goes on and on. Ai should be nothing but a positional player. If I play 2v2 Ai shouldnt win games for teams.
Ai goalie. Can save a 100mph slap shot on a cross crease. But cant stop a one handed Tuck. Ai goalie can still pass it through players that are standing right Infront of him waiting for Human players to call it out this has been an issue for years and still hasn't been fixed. The amount of desperation save is unbelievable in this game as well.
The Goalie being like a brick wall is also annoying. Your skate lace touches him you go flying.
Of all the issues with this Game the Ai is the biggest. Ai should be irrelevant for the most part.
I think it's important for you not to belittle how people feel when they're playing the game. There's no need to argue every little frame in every little video posted. You are not on the last line of defense against the powers of evil here. And you're certainly not winning over any new customers by being annoyed at them.
Also people don't trust EA for good reasons.
It's not about arguing every little frame. We're often being asked for responses here and when things are explained, they aren't always accepted.
We're very open and honest on these forums. We give as much insight into the game as we can. We want to have good conversations, but it seems if our answers don't agree with what is being assumed, it's looked at as us lying. I love this game. I also happen to have a lot of passion for this community as well as building a better relationship between all of us. Should we stop trying to answer your questions as well as correct the misinformation and assumptions that are posted here? There obviously is a lot of distrust about us and we've been trying to correct that, but no matter how honest we are here, it seems that's not really working.
Yeah, and I'm trying to tell you why I think it's not working. You are not talking to people - you are lecturing them.
I'll try to keep the lecturing to a minimum then. Let's get this back on topic. You guys are welcome to discuss your theories about ice tilt, but it simply does not exist.
ice tilt may not exist. the Ai just plays way better when a team is losing or has low Cr . The Ai is a handicap for Bad teams .
Get it through your head, there is no DDA in the game.
This thread is just ridiculous. If all these people complaining about ice tilt would put the same energy into complaining about real issues like the god awful AI or the frustrating puck pickups and lack of control maybe EA would finally address those issues.
I’m probably going to get hate for this but honestly it’s really funny that people unanimously think that the game is pretty bad but don’t understand it well enough to point out what they don’t like. So ice tilt.
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Personally imo, the more likely explanation for things people experience are just bad programing/physics/animations combined with horrible servers.
Those things explain 100% of everything attributed to dda. No conspiracy required. That or its a simple case of Hanlon's razor. I'd like to give the devs the benefit of the doubt though.
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I mentioned the other modes because it's been brought up as existing there as well. If you want to believe this is some conspiracy to get people to buy packs, that's your prerogative. We have absolutely no reason to have DDA in the game. We have denied it's in NHL and our other sports games for a very long time. There is nothing programmed into the game to force one side to win or lose. We wouldn't want to play that kind of game ourselves and I have no idea why anyone would even want to if they thought the outcome was completely up to the computer.
I think when you give up and decide you're going to lose, that's going to happen. This is also known as confirmation bias. Yes, you mentioned it before as one of the excuses we give for this topic and credence is being added to that with that comment. Whether you think the game is scripted or changes dynamically according to the computer thinking one side is going to spend money if they lose, it doesn't change the fact that it's completely false.
Yeah more near the truth. But there is some argument about ice tilt that just makes me allergic. One is defenetly when you try to blame EA for that reason you spend money on the game. After the first month in every new edition I get a pretty clear picture on how good the game is and how much im willing to invest. If the game good, its more fun to put money to the game. If you hate the game, why bother your own economy.
And if this "super programmera" can create some kinda ice tilt, why just dont save some time and make the progress short and create the perfect hockey game that we all can love, insteed of making a game we all have diffrent feelings for.. I don't really get it together.
Have you noticed that 90% of the problems with this game come from AI? Fix them or at least limit them in WoC and you have a playable game for a good portion of the player base. I'm not saying forget the HUT community but at least it's 5 CPU vs 5 CPU at any given time. In EASHL it's almost always more on one team and it seems if you're not playing with GREAT players then the team with more CPU players will find a way to win.
Maybe some sort of match my lobby for every mode needs to be added? Almost ANY fix to allow players to play with and against more humans would make this game better. The pure lack of ability to program the CPU to play correctly makes this game unplayable. It's unreal they're allowed to play against humans. It's almost like the worst player ever in some shooter game playing with aimbot or mouse and keyboard. They're clueless but because they don't play by the same rules they just have an insane upper hand. They're beatable but it's more frustrating than enjoyable.
But hopefully EA see how we take advantage of the game and comes up with a counter move.
Honestly just frustrated with this game. Had a guy rag the puck behind his net for 2 periods. He was waiting for me to attack so he could get an outlet to break my offense and defense. For some reason I have my defensive strategy set so my D-men stay back but unfortunately the LD just pinches to the red line and he is a 99 overall DD. I then got puck possession off the draw and scored 4 goals on this player. After my game was over I got a DNF and he got the W. Check his games and all his wins are DNF Wins. Pretty odd if you ask me... I recorded my gameplay also as I usually do.
Im just lurking around, waiting for some news about 21, that can get me excited!
Look at this one below; 48 shots (that hit the net). You guys probably say, what are you complaining about, you won 5-2.
Well,the game was 3-2 until my opponent pulled his goalie with one minute left. I then scored on an empty net and another goal with 27 sec left from a bad angle. In a real hockey game, I would have scored 12-15 goals. But EA’s DDA made sure to keep the score close. It was just ridiculous. Until he pulled his goalie, with all the chances I missed, I was certain he would comeback and tie the game.
Also, can someone at EA explains why this was a disallowed goal?
Sounds like a risky play with high stake. How do they decide who will win, when two less skilled players match up? Wouldnt it be best for all, you, me, EA and everybody else if the one with best skill win, no matter who is playing. If the matchmaking work, less skilled players go up against eachother and vice versa. And everyone stay happy.
The last clip, first of, crazy thing to do by the goalie, he must be suicidal, but your goalie interference saved him this time. It isnt suppose to work that way, rightly or wrongly, goalie can't suppose to play out the puck everytime, eventually the game can't catch up and something like this happen.
Oh, I forgot to mention, I did score a goal in the second period but it was disallowed.
Still think there's no DDA?
Yes.
LOL the Ai with this game is the biggest issue.
Ai literally wins teams games in EASHL 3s all the time. Ive build guys to destroy the Ai hit him he falls Bounces right back up like one of of those Inflatable Tube men. Lift the Ai stick he lifts yours like 5 times in a second to get the puck back. Ai skating backwards some how puts his stick out and takes it off you without doing anything it's like a magnet. Build my guy to be insanely fast Ai out skates me . Up by a goal team comes down on 2on2 I'm covering the pass Ai has the hit lined up what does he do takes the worst tripping penalty.
You say the Ai is basic two way defender. Yet he can out hit has the best balance of any player type out skates everyone never loses the puck can magically intercept the puck with out even seeing the pass. Can lift your stick through your body poke check through legs. The list goes on and on. Ai should be nothing but a positional player. If I play 2v2 Ai shouldnt win games for teams.
Ai goalie. Can save a 100mph slap shot on a cross crease. But cant stop a one handed Tuck. Ai goalie can still pass it through players that are standing right Infront of him waiting for Human players to call it out this has been an issue for years and still hasn't been fixed. The amount of desperation save is unbelievable in this game as well.
The Goalie being like a brick wall is also annoying. Your skate lace touches him you go flying.
Of all the issues with this Game the Ai is the biggest. Ai should be irrelevant for the most part.
ice tilt may not exist. the Ai just plays way better when a team is losing or has low Cr . The Ai is a handicap for Bad teams .
This thread is just ridiculous. If all these people complaining about ice tilt would put the same energy into complaining about real issues like the god awful AI or the frustrating puck pickups and lack of control maybe EA would finally address those issues.
I’m probably going to get hate for this but honestly it’s really funny that people unanimously think that the game is pretty bad but don’t understand it well enough to point out what they don’t like. So ice tilt.