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NHL 21 Early Look with Nasher

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  • ohjeezthisagain
    25 posts Member
    edited October 11
    So why are we supposed to care, exactly? I played it too. I can form my own opinions, couldn't care less about his.
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    Having watched some of the trial play, all I've seen are these forced passes going through the defense 90% of the time. It's definitely in need of fixing.
  • nasher is good for this game. he is speaking with more peoples than EA can do.
  • Sega82mega wrote: »
    Sounds more to me - the real problem seem to be that you can force the puck through 3 sticks in front, dont blame the cross creases for that. Usally not the goal itself thats wrong, it's the sequence just before.

    Majjam~ have you played this EA trial? If so, what do you think of the game? I know you wasen't happy about the skating, still the same?

    The game is basically exactly same as tech test. Skating is the same. Skating is fine except the transitioning from back skating to front skating is still broken and agility in general while back skating is worse than last year.

    This combined with the reduced interception ability while being in perfect position has made defense a total mess and made one timers, especially on the rush the go to move.

    Of course if playing an ai goalie and unguarded, there's multiple guaranteed ways to score solo

    Sorry nhl 20 was better overall
  • Sega82mega
    1924 posts Member
    edited October 11
    .... *sorry wrong thread post*....
  • Sega82mega wrote: »
    Sounds more to me - the real problem seem to be that you can force the puck through 3 sticks in front, dont blame the cross creases for that. Usally not the goal itself thats wrong, it's the sequence just before.

    Majjam~ have you played this EA trial? If so, what do you think of the game? I know you wasen't happy about the skating, still the same?

    The game is basically exactly same as tech test. Skating is the same. Skating is fine except the transitioning from back skating to front skating is still broken and agility in general while back skating is worse than last year.

    This combined with the reduced interception ability while being in perfect position has made defense a total mess and made one timers, especially on the rush the go to move.

    Of course if playing an ai goalie and unguarded, there's multiple guaranteed ways to score solo

    Sorry nhl 20 was better overall

    Played 20 Last night with the same overall cards I have in 21 , which are 84 82 and bunch of 80's ,and the game still felt better ,at least my d men felt better when transitioning from front to back skating

    My opinion what they did was just add fluff and gimp the defense to make the offense look more improved
  • thegarden94
    310 posts Member
    edited October 11
    When one of your own complains it must be that bad

  • Dixonyu
    675 posts Member
    edited October 11
    Ben Ross said they won't put the gameplay slider to simulation instead of competitive, because then no one would score enough goals and be happy...

    Do you want to rephrase that sir? Maybe just just the damb gameplay slider to simulation where it SHOULD BE !!! This is a hockey sim, and clearly , goals , are super easy to come by.


    Anyone who has changed the gameplay sliders to simulation, I am sure would agree . Anyone who came to nhl 21 to play a hockey sim, would also agree . Anyone who was making a game to create the real feel of hockey would also , logically agree .
  • Sega82mega
    1924 posts Member
    edited October 11
    When going in one direaction your AI teammates act thereafter, cases when.. 'why dosent Letang turn he's back' is beacuse it all happen to fast.

    You skate forward in top speed, breaks in the second before you pass the puck into the middle, that little break is usally enough to get that pass to connect.

    And thoose 'no look passes behind the back', same there, AI gets 'fooled' to think the game is heading in forward direaction, but the pass behind the back, makes the game go backward and the A.I stands unable to do something, that quick.

    But there's always going to be one goal that works better then other's, and if it's 'only' this cross crease that bother people for the moment. Maybe it will turn out just fine if they somehow manage to make that goal more hard to pull off. Balance things out.
  • Sega82mega wrote: »
    When going in one direaction your AI teammates act thereafter, cases when.. 'why dosent Letang turn he's back' is beacuse it all happen to fast.

    You skate forward in top speed, breaks in the second before you pass the puck into the middle, that little break is usally enough to get that pass to connect.

    And thoose 'no look passes behind the back', same there, AI gets 'fooled' to think the game is heading in forward direaction, but the pass behind the back, makes the game go backward and the A.I stands unable to do something, that quick.

    But there's always going to be one goal that works better then other's, and if it's 'only' this cross crease that bother people for the moment. Maybe it will turn out just fine if they somehow manage to make that goal more hard to pull off. Balance things out.

    Hockey 101 a defensive player should never have his back turned towards the play ,and those behind the back passes should never be that precise especially from the angle he's passing from ,this game needs a lot more work
  • Here's a thought bring back season's and at least let that play like a little more of a sim of hockey and you can leave the rest to the people who want this arcade style of game play
  • thegarden94
    310 posts Member
    edited October 11
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  • Sega82mega wrote: »
    When going in one direaction your AI teammates act thereafter, cases when.. 'why dosent Letang turn he's back' is beacuse it all happen to fast.

    You skate forward in top speed, breaks in the second before you pass the puck into the middle, that little break is usally enough to get that pass to connect.

    And thoose 'no look passes behind the back', same there, AI gets 'fooled' to think the game is heading in forward direaction, but the pass behind the back, makes the game go backward and the A.I stands unable to do something, that quick.

    But there's always going to be one goal that works better then other's, and if it's 'only' this cross crease that bother people for the moment. Maybe it will turn out just fine if they somehow manage to make that goal more hard to pull off. Balance things out.

    Hockey 101 a defensive player should never have his back turned towards the play ,and those behind the back passes should never be that precise especially from the angle he's passing from ,this game needs a lot more work

    I agree, but you dosent seem to hear what im sayin, Letang didn't have he's back against the play until the player did that pass, from back and forth in a second, he cant just magically transform he's back the other side in one milliseconds.

    Behind the back pass should be more hard to do then that lacrosse move.

    But nothing of this that we talking about is probebly stuff EA don't like either, but I guess it's not just to push a button to fix everything thats wrong.
  • goalielivesmatte
    86 posts Member
    edited October 11
    When one of your own complains it must be that bad


    It was like this in beta too even in 6s...force central bc everything goes through Dmen even when they in good position but they did nothing from beta to now.

    You know offence is overpowered even when guys like these are calling it out. Defense literally pylons, I cant even count the amount of times my dmen have been in perfect position taking away the passing lanes and forces still gets through..goes right between their legs to the open guy on other side. 6s are joke now. Its like beating a dead horse with EA...its pointless they already decided which way they want this series to go in..nothing that resembles real hockey. I really hope 2k starts making NHL. These guys literally think hockey is all about offense and defence and goalies not important.
  • Sega82mega wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    When going in one direaction your AI teammates act thereafter, cases when.. 'why dosent Letang turn he's back' is beacuse it all happen to fast.

    You skate forward in top speed, breaks in the second before you pass the puck into the middle, that little break is usally enough to get that pass to connect.

    And thoose 'no look passes behind the back', same there, AI gets 'fooled' to think the game is heading in forward direaction, but the pass behind the back, makes the game go backward and the A.I stands unable to do something, that quick.

    But there's always going to be one goal that works better then other's, and if it's 'only' this cross crease that bother people for the moment. Maybe it will turn out just fine if they somehow manage to make that goal more hard to pull off. Balance things out.

    Hockey 101 a defensive player should never have his back turned towards the play ,and those behind the back passes should never be that precise especially from the angle he's passing from ,this game needs a lot more work

    I agree, but you dosent seem to hear what im sayin, Letang didn't have he's back against the play until the player did that pass, from back and forth in a second, he cant just magically transform he's back the other side in one milliseconds.

    Behind the back pass should be more hard to do then that lacrosse move.

    But nothing of this that we talking about is probebly stuff EA don't like either, but I guess it's not just to push a button to fix everything thats wrong.

    It's admirable of you to defend this game but it needs a lot of work on the defensive side of play ...and as for Lantang should have been looking for a man to pick up not facing the goalie
  • Sega82mega
    1924 posts Member
    edited October 11
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    When going in one direaction your AI teammates act thereafter, cases when.. 'why dosent Letang turn he's back' is beacuse it all happen to fast.

    You skate forward in top speed, breaks in the second before you pass the puck into the middle, that little break is usally enough to get that pass to connect.

    And thoose 'no look passes behind the back', same there, AI gets 'fooled' to think the game is heading in forward direaction, but the pass behind the back, makes the game go backward and the A.I stands unable to do something, that quick.

    But there's always going to be one goal that works better then other's, and if it's 'only' this cross crease that bother people for the moment. Maybe it will turn out just fine if they somehow manage to make that goal more hard to pull off. Balance things out.

    Hockey 101 a defensive player should never have his back turned towards the play ,and those behind the back passes should never be that precise especially from the angle he's passing from ,this game needs a lot more work

    I agree, but you dosent seem to hear what im sayin, Letang didn't have he's back against the play until the player did that pass, from back and forth in a second, he cant just magically transform he's back the other side in one milliseconds.

    Behind the back pass should be more hard to do then that lacrosse move.

    But nothing of this that we talking about is probebly stuff EA don't like either, but I guess it's not just to push a button to fix everything thats wrong.

    It's admirable of you to defend this game but it needs a lot of work on the defensive side of play ...and as for Lantang should have been looking for a man to pick up not facing the goalie

    In what way am I defending this game? Can you point that out...

    And what do you want me to say..? For it to be good.
  • Dixonyu
    675 posts Member
    edited October 12
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    When going in one direaction your AI teammates act thereafter, cases when.. 'why dosent Letang turn he's back' is beacuse it all happen to fast.

    You skate forward in top speed, breaks in the second before you pass the puck into the middle, that little break is usally enough to get that pass to connect.

    And thoose 'no look passes behind the back', same there, AI gets 'fooled' to think the game is heading in forward direaction, but the pass behind the back, makes the game go backward and the A.I stands unable to do something, that quick.

    But there's always going to be one goal that works better then other's, and if it's 'only' this cross crease that bother people for the moment. Maybe it will turn out just fine if they somehow manage to make that goal more hard to pull off. Balance things out.

    Hockey 101 a defensive player should never have his back turned towards the play ,and those behind the back passes should never be that precise especially from the angle he's passing from ,this game needs a lot more work

    The ai don't know what's happening in the play, and again have no logic to help them. They're pylons.

    No penalties to behind the back passes, every player can basically do everything anyone else can, with the difference of speed . There's no snipers, everyone is a sniper, no danglers, everyone is a dangler, everyone is an elite passer with auto sauces, everyone can Datsyuk the puck away, no one can hold a to defend sticks ( when a player protects the puck with one hand the other usually fights sticks away) as effectively as you should be able to . Everyone has a cannon shot.

    They add moves so the forwards can slip by then slow down the turn the pivot speeds down ? But don't make it so you can hold up a guy with hit or anything so at least support can come by to scoop up the puck.

    Forwards still don't recognize tips , don't recognize skating lanes, consistently get in your way ...

    Fact is a player with good vision, hands, speed, will always be able to beat his check with a good pass. Any person making a move, his check has to react , so good timing, means a good pass might be received , unless said defender reacts properly to the receiver. You're not gonna cover all passing lanes, but thats why there is supposed to be a defender on the receiver , because you cant defend all passing lanes, and you cant always be there , AI don't even know how to jam the slot to prevent passes from going through ... but again the auto sauces doesn't help at all, and how accurate they are is ridiculous, even with guys that have 80 passing and aren't known as , elite passers. Players intercept more shots than passes.


    And no snipers, playmaker, whatever, hurts be a good and hut , as if you need more scoring power, anyone can do, need someone that can move the puck, anyone can do , need someone with a 🎃🎃🎃🎃 first or pass first mentality in be a pro, nope players don't have tendencies. Need someone thay can break into the zone, nope doesn't exist , need a stronger powerplay? There isn't a PP specialist, need better pk, anyones as good as the next guy .
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  • To intercept in 3's/6's I just started literally backing into the recipient and hoping the puckhandler didn't know how to score on his own. It was still bad, but better. It won't be an option once everybody figures out their go to glitch goals this year though.
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    This is because you lack the skills of a defenseman. Nasher wants the game to play like an all-star game all show no defense. Cross Crease honestly should work more rather than less. Why? Because the Players on this game don't care about The D zone the tap their sticks till they get the puck build their guys to be fast with good shots. Their defense stats are terrible and they wonder why they can't stop the cross crease..

    Nasher is a huge reason this game has gone down hill. They listen to these youtubers who are basically generating profits for Ea for free.

    If they would listen to the other fans who have come up with some creative ideas this game could be great
  • jrago73 wrote: »
    To intercept in 3's/6's I just started literally backing into the recipient and hoping the puckhandler didn't know how to score on his own. It was still bad, but better. It won't be an option once everybody figures out their go to glitch goals this year though.

    there the same as last year and many years before
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