Personal freedom is a right for everyone

1-Graham-S

I made a misjudged post on Game Discussion that was mis-read, misunderstood and mis-quoted so here I am with one last rant.
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Personal freedom should be a right for all, not just the ones that suit you.
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It should not be reserved for people who's thoughts or opinions or lifestyle you agree with.
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It should be for everyone.
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No-one should have the right to say their thoughts or opinions or lifestyle is better.
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Give everyone the same freedoms you expect.
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I'm an old heterosexual white male that eats meat and doesn't go to church, but I do not expect you to make the same choices in your life as I have - it is your life, go live it as you want.
That's only fair.
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Personal freedom is a right for everyone, not just the ones who's choices you agree with.
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Live and let live.
Even if you disagree, it is still their right to be that way.
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EDIT - You really wanna get offended by this and tell me people are not allowed to be different to you - then go take a long, hard look at yourself.

11EEvey

you used the words "woke nonsense". no matter how much you protest now, you cannot take that back. words matter and reveal true beliefs.

1-Graham-S

So just because someone lives a particular lifestyle it gives them the right to deny others their personal freedoms ?? I find that idea offensive.
Tell me why anyone should have the right to impose their views on others.

1-Graham-S

Here's a great recent example -
If you're familiar with Roger Waters you can connect the dots back to Pink Floyd and in particular The Wall. That's been around for 4 decades and if you listened and understood that, or saw the movie, then you will know that the last thing it is is a glorification of ( filtered - I'll say unpleasant instead ) despots. It is in fact intended as a warning against such behaviours.
Did that stop the numpties getting all up in arms during his recent tour and trying to label him anti-semitic and call for his shows to be banned ... Nope.
Woke nonsense.
( filter didn't like the term to describe the despots but anyone who gets this will know what that should say )

1MikeyM

1-Graham-S wrote: »

Here's a great recent example -
If you're familiar with Roger Waters you can connect the dots back to Pink Floyd and in particular The Wall. That's been around for 4 decades and if you listened and understood that, or saw the movie, then you will know that the last thing it is is a glorification of ( filtered - I'll say unpleasant instead ) despots. It is in fact intended as a warning against such behaviours.
Did that stop the numpties getting all up in arms during his recent tour and trying to label him anti-semitic and call for his shows to be banned ... Nope.
Woke nonsense.
( filter didn't like the term to describe the despots but anyone who gets this will know what that should say )

What a great example /s
Roger Waters is anti Semite, believes Ukraine provoked Russia and all round more than a bit of a knob.
You're taking the term woke and allowing the right to subvert the meaning.

11EEvey

Typical. No apology for calling being woke "nonsense" Instead you protest that we misunderstood you.
No we did not misunderstand.

"Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities, such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for some ideas of the American Left involving identity politics and social justice, such as white privilege and slavery reparations for African Americans
By 2020, however, members of the political center and right wing in several Western countries were using the term woke in an ironic way, as an insult for various progressive or leftist movements and ideologies perceived as overzealous, performative, or insincere. In turn, some commentators came to consider it an offensive term with negative associations to those who promote political ideas involving identity and race."

Your original comment sure came off as an insult.
If you had just apologized for using that term, this would have been over as soon as it started.
Anyway I am out as you've doubled down and twisted it back on me in typical fashion.

1-Graham-S

I have no problem with being woke, but I do have a problem using it as a reason to whitewash history and attempt to censor others.
Are you saying using being woke as an excuse to censor others is right ??
That's what I take issue with and call it as I see it.
I'm saddened that you feel that way, but that is your right.
I won't be checking for responses or making any further reply, instead I'll sign off with a reminder of what the title here says and why I call the nonsense nonsense -
Personal freedom is a right for everyone, not just the people you agree with.

1MikeyM

Personal freedom should not give you the right to spread hate

1-Graham-S

Ok, before I begin I want to say the last thing in my heart or on my mind is hate, I just really don't like seeing a good thing used as an excuse for censorship.
This may seem a bit two-tone or even greyscale but please read to the end before forming an opinion. I'm not tripling down.
I needed to give myself a time out and found myself thinking of what caused me to coin such an ill-judged phrase. It goes back to when I'd heard of people vandalising library books by using permanent marker to cross out any bits or words they didn't like. You're probably right about the earlier example being a bad example but the thought of people defacing books like that still riles me when I remember it.
No-one should ever think they have the right to impose their views on others.
I don't believe much in labels. Fair enough you can't see what's in a can or a bag or a box without help but you can see people for who they are and not how they look if you give them a fair chance.
I also don't believe in first impressions. You might meet someone on a bad day and they turn out to be the greatest friend you could have or you could meet someone putting on an act who turns out to be deeply unpleasant or even dangerous.
I've been around for a little over 5 decades and always believed in a few simple things. Having respect for others, good manners and an open mind. Add to that the fact you should always be free to form your own opinions.
I can't expect to be allowed to do that if I don't believe others should too.
You're right though about it being a really bad way to express it. That phrase was far from clear and it was easy not to see what I meant, and I can see why some mis-understood and felt I was attacking those very freedoms I believe in.
I promise that phrase will be deleted from my vocabulary. It isn't something I will say here or anywhere else ever again.
I apologise sincerely for any offence my poor choice of words may have caused and I hope that this is the end of the matter.

1MikeyM

Fair do's

imasimpsonsfan

You really have to be careful what you say nowadays without offending anyone.