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Disagree with the friend points system

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  • 00-marco_rosas
    656 posts
    edited February 2014
    Yaaaaaahhh!!! This horrific thing is in addition to the usual $ and XP! Quit crying!!
    The $ and XP has never been consequential; not even at lvl <10. That's why EA is finally upping the monetary reward of visits with friend levels. It still won't entice me to visit; but, at least it makes a little more sense to visit for the single digit lvl people.
  • delegg629524
    337 posts
    edited March 2014
    Yaaaaaahhh!!! This horrific thing is in addition to the usual $ and XP! Quit crying!!
    The $ and XP has never been consequential; not even at lvl <10. That's why EA is finally upping the monetary reward of visits with friend levels. It still won't entice me to visit; but, at least it makes a little more sense to visit for the single digit lvl people.
    Do math! Do math now! Figure in a years worth of "never been consequential." I repeat; Yaaaaaaahhh!!!
  • Snakeyees
    2335 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    jfcal2005 wrote:
    Snakeyees wrote:
    its to discourage people from going to your city tap three buildings and then deleting your city and getting a new friend, then they rinse & repeat it.

    this doesn't make any sense as you can only do 300 actions a day,
    Even if you delete and add again you would still only be able to visit only 100 neighbors

    I did not know there was a cap to 300 a day but that would mean since you can only have 100 friends and can only tap 3 times in each city that would be the 300 thanks for the clarification
  • Snakeyees
    2335 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    Mjr1124 wrote:
    Seriously, it's like a free gift for visiting neighbors, which most of us were already doing anyway. How can anyone complain about that?


    Josh Sherer can :P
  • Snakeyees
    2335 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    jfcal2005 wrote:
    Snakeyees wrote:
    its to discourage people from going to your city tap three buildings and then deleting your city and getting a new friend, then they rinse & repeat it.

    this doesn't make any sense as you can only do 300 actions a day,
    Even if you delete and add again you would still only be able to visit only 100 neighbours

    Old tactic- hasn't worked in a while


    Got to remember i was locked out since just after Christmas not sure when it was fixed.
  • TappingMan
    69 posts
    edited March 2014
    4junk3000 wrote:
    Actually, like Valentines, it's trying to balance those with low active friends with those with high active friends. Are you really turning down the extra friend points just because you only get one?
    Yes. You know the last 60 friends are worth less than half the first 40? I don't have that much time in my day.

    ...and some people do. some people have enough time for all their neighbors.

    and it works itself out, so it's ok. as you choose not to visit the people who aren't as valuable to you, they will notice your decline in visits and replace you as a neighbor. eventually, the people who care will have 100 neighbors who also care.

    it takes a while to make a good network of friends, you have to sort out a lot of people who don't value you enough to show it.

    This program sucks to those in the back. Its not worth the extra time to visit all the neighbors so this in the back will get screwed. I know some of you will chime in and say you always visit all or you go backwards sometimes, well good for you but I bet you are the minority.

    Also sad to hear friend farming is gone. I did a lot of that during the gift card event.
  • TWD56
    12 posts
    edited March 2014
    Yaaaaaahhh!!! This horrific thing is in addition to the usual $ and XP! Quit crying!!

    Who's crying? I'm making a suggestion that I believe would make the game encourage more tapping and make it worthwhile to visit all your friends instead of punishing someone with a lower rate of return per tap as they progress through their friends list.

    Everyone who is on the other side of the argument, for the most part, have just made comments like "why are you complaining, it's free points".
    Not only is this statement absolute rubbish but it isn't even an argument. Complaints about video games can help developers change the way things are done to improve their game or to at least do a trial run to see everyone's response to the changes and see if it actually encourages more friend town visits. If you believe I'm wrong, that's totally fine. But at least back it up with something that actually sounds like a discussion point that will contribute to the debate.
  • dreamweapon1
    11 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    (Yes, that's right, there are more important things than Tapping.)

    How DARE you sirrah! :-o

    I like the system. You can go for it & max' out every day, or you can get by with less than 100 neighbours. No time limit, no rush, no pressure.

    dw
  • heyho43
    72 posts
    edited March 2014
    TWD56 wrote:
    Not sure if this has been talked about before (and if so direct me to the post), but I can't help but feel that having points rewarded for tapping on friends' buildings go down after a certain amount of actions is completely wrong.
    It is almost like you are being punished for doing more and more actions. Shouldn't it be the other way around? If I did 300 actions and the first 30 are worth 10, the next 30 are worth 5 and so on, I am investing more time but am receiving less for each tap I do. I believe that it should be the other way around. First 30 taps should be 3 points. Next 30, 5. The rest at 10. People could argue that points would accumulate too fast, however they would just have to increase the number of points needed for each prize to counteract this.

    The system as it is discourages me from going through my entire friends list since I am receiving a tenth of what I would receive if they were the first 30 actions. This leads to some friends being visited and others not being visited. Since user names are sorted alphabetically, unless a conscious effort is made, a user will only tap for the first 20 or so people who have user names closer to A as opposed to those who are closer to Z. Although this problem is sort of neutralized by the fact that Friends points are hardly given for having a building of yours being tapped by a friend, it still is a problem.

    As the system is now, I have absolutely zero desire to go through my friends list to get one point each time I tap.
    What you failed to consider is EA is perfect and can't be questioned. If you take a job with EA your dumps immediately smell of roses. Please don't knock anything EA releases. As mentioned, EA is perfect.
  • Funchal13
    279 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    Snakeyees wrote:
    Mjr1124 wrote:
    Seriously, it's like a free gift for visiting neighbors, which most of us were already doing anyway. How can anyone complain about that?


    Josh Sherer can :P

    I bet he can!

    I think that if he ever posts a complimentary comment about the game or EA, I'll faint....
  • dcacooper
    394 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    TWD56 wrote:
    As the system is now, I have absolutely zero desire to go through my friends list to get one point each time I tap.

    So, presumably then, you don't bother visiting your neighbours at all when there isn't an event on because "what's the point when I only get a small amount of $ and XP for doing so" (which you are still getting along with your FP at the moment).
    heyho43 wrote:
    What you failed to consider is EA is perfect and can't be questioned. If you take a job with EA your dumps immediately smell of roses. Please don't knock anything EA releases. As mentioned, EA is perfect.

    Oh, grow up. Just because someone disagrees with you and actually thinks EA have got this right, it doesn't mean they think anything of the sort.

    Look ... if you don't want to visit all of your neighbours every time, then don't. If you only want to visit the 40 neighbours that give you more than 1 FP per tap then do so. If you want to visit all 100 neighbours and get the 810FP available every day then do so - why does it matter to you that someone with only 50 friends is able to get 660 from their 50? How exactly does that punish you? This is not a game that you can "win" after all.

    When I visit friends, I visit all of them regardless of whether there is an event on or not, always have, always will, and with the signposts it now takes me less than 25 minutes to do so (or less than one episode of Big Bang Theory from the PVR). I try to keep my list to around 80 in total (currently standing at 82).

    If the goal of this update was to encourage us to visit friends and build on the social aspects of the game, then there is no point EA setting things up in a way that actively discourages those with fewer neighbours from doing so. If a player decides to restrict their list to 50-60 friends, then they will never see their FP rise above 1 per tap ... and many would then genuinely sit it out and decide it really isn't worth doing. By doing it this way, all players are encouraged to tap in their neighbours towns every day.

    Those with more friends will still go up through the levels more quickly, just not as much more quickly as some seem to think they should be able to.
  • bradyc79
    1379 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    Funchal13 wrote:
    Snakeyees wrote:
    Mjr1124 wrote:
    Seriously, it's like a free gift for visiting neighbors, which most of us were already doing anyway. How can anyone complain about that?


    Josh Sherer can :P

    I bet he can!

    I think that if he ever posts a complimentary comment about the game or EA, I'll faint....

    Before I say this I wanted to make it clear I like Josh and don't have any disdain as some others show for Josh. But. . .

    If you go back through the old posts, you can find at least one. I remember after Josh was actually mentioned in the game by Lisa while she was "trolling the EA Forum", during the Halloween run-up, he definitely said that he enjoyed playing the game and spent money on it. I don't know him personally, but I would guess that he is a fairly intelligent, successful, and wealthy adult, who has a persona created online on the forum that is sticks with.
  • elmalynn
    253 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    dcacooper wrote:
    When I visit friends, I visit all of them regardless of whether there is an event on or not, always have, always will, and with the signposts it now takes me less than 25 minutes to do so (or less than one episode of Big Bang Theory from the PVR). I try to keep my list to around 80 in total (currently standing at 82).

    If the goal of this update was to encourage us to visit friends and build on the social aspects of the game, then there is no point EA setting things up in a way that actively discourages those with fewer neighbours from doing so. If a player decides to restrict their list to 50-60 friends, then they will never see their FP rise above 1 per tap ... and many would then genuinely sit it out and decide it really isn't worth doing. By doing it this way, all players are encouraged to tap in their neighbours towns every day.

    Those with more friends will still go up through the levels more quickly, just not as much more quickly as some seem to think they should be able to.

    I'm one of the people that only have about 50 friends. It takes me 35 - 40 minutes to tap them all, and I do make a point of getting to them all. I'll go to Krustyland looking for things to tap. I also like to look at their designs.

    With work and kids an hour a day (have to tap my own town too!) is all there is. Now weekends on the other hand...

    How can you get through so many so fast? How fast or slow do other people tap?
  • dcacooper
    394 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    elmalynn wrote:
    I'm one of the people that only have about 50 friends. It takes me 35 - 40 minutes to tap them all, and I do make a point of getting to them all. I'll go to Krustyland looking for things to tap. I also like to look at their designs.

    With work and kids an hour a day (have to tap my own town too!) is all there is. Now weekends on the other hand...

    How can you get through so many so fast? How fast or slow do other people tap?

    I don't tend to linger. Most of my neighbours I have had a long time, so I have seen their Springfields regularly and only really look at the designs if something has obviously changed. Usually, I just take a quick scout around for good things to tap (stackables when they were around, or graffiti now) and then move swiftly on.

    Balancing work, university and kids means if I didn't do it that way I wouldn't visit nearly as much. I do occasionally stop to smell other Springfields' roses, though.
  • bren1960
    1631 posts
    edited March 2014
    I also think a lot of people wait until their $ is collected before they zip to their next friend. Not necessary. Hit the 3 & move on. In reality visiting friends really doesn't do much for them. I personally would have no idea when my buildings are do to reset.
  • bren1960
    1631 posts
    edited March 2014
    TWD56 wrote:
    Yaaaaaahhh!!! This horrific thing is in addition to the usual $ and XP! Quit crying!!

    Who's crying? I'm making a suggestion that I believe would make the game encourage more tapping and make it worthwhile to visit all your friends instead of punishing someone with a lower rate of return per tap as they progress through their friends list.

    Everyone who is on the other side of the argument, for the most part, have just made comments like "why are you complaining, it's free points".
    Not only is this statement absolute rubbish but it isn't even an argument. Complaints about video games can help developers change the way things are done to improve their game or to at least do a trial run to see everyone's response to the changes and see if it actually encourages more friend town visits. If you believe I'm wrong, that's totally fine. But at least back it up with something that actually sounds like a discussion point that will contribute to the debate.


    The would need to scramble up the names. Besides, you the debate ****?
  • jasonbd77
    238 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    TWD56 wrote:
    Yaaaaaahhh!!! This horrific thing is in addition to the usual $ and XP! Quit crying!!

    Who's crying? I'm making a suggestion that I believe would make the game encourage more tapping and make it worthwhile to visit all your friends instead of punishing someone with a lower rate of return per tap as they progress through their friends list.

    Everyone who is on the other side of the argument, for the most part, have just made comments like "why are you complaining, it's free points".
    Not only is this statement absolute rubbish but it isn't even an argument. Complaints about video games can help developers change the way things are done to improve their game or to at least do a trial run to see everyone's response to the changes and see if it actually encourages more friend town visits. If you believe I'm wrong, that's totally fine. But at least back it up with something that actually sounds like a discussion point that will contribute to the debate.

    EA most likely doesn't need arguments in their favor. There is never anything wrong with having an opinion. If a person feels compelled to complain, GREAT! I have no problem. I don't feel that satisfied players need to offer up any reasoning for their satisfaction. As an unhappy player, YOU have the argument to make.
    (Hopefully, we can get over that alphabetized friends list ****)
  • BlakeC02309
    96 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    I somewhat agree that getting less points the more actions you do in Friends' towns is kinda ridiculous.. I DO try and go thru all 100 of my friends, which seems to take forever sometimes.. What is even worse is when you spend all this time going thru Friends' towns and a lot of people have absolutely NOTHING to tap on..! Kinda frustrating but it is what it is.. The main thing that I'm upset about with this new "Friend Point" system is that we can't stack tiles, weather reports and crops anymore.. THIS IS BOGUS!!! C'mon Tapped Out!! Tiles get WAYYYY TOO EXPENSIVE and take forever to get.. Think I have only actually had to pay for like 5 tiles (luckily I was able to "stack" a bunch of tiles before it stopped) and already cost $5000 and takes 24 hours..! ****?! I also think you should get "Friend Points" when you tap the handshakes in your own town! All of them.. not just when you clean up the graffiti..
  • jasonicus321
    1811 posts New member
    edited March 2014
    The whole thing is dumb. 12 straight towns I went in to had nothing to tap on. It's pointless.
  • johnbethel
    69 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    The FP system is just a new take on community prizes - I understand and feel the frustration of the OP because it ultimately makes it take longer to achieve the prizes if you get a decreasing no of points per action.

    However I think, certainly in my case, a lot of the frustration is that the FP system was the only element of this update ( I say this as a long time player, multiple level 38's and someone who pays for donuts so forgive me if they also bought premium items back which I already have).

    I have $20m saved up which I have nothing to spend it on. If this update had also contained a quest and some new buildings/decorations/characters to buy with in game money and maybe a new premium item I'd have had something to do while waiting the 24hrs between visiting friends.

    As it stands I'm basically still waiting for level 39.... We've basically been treading water since the Xmas update ended. I've invested too much time and money and got too much enjoyment from this game to give up on it, but the FP system while quite cool and a bit different doesn't go far enough to keep long time players engaged
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