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The Simpsons is a social/political satire. These kinds of jokes will be made. I lived in NY during 9/11 and I can't get myself all worked up every time someone makes a distasteful joke about the Twin Towers, Muslims, terrorism, etc. I don't think you need to get worked up about it. The creators of the game/Fox/The Simpsons' writers all know the despicable things that the IRA has done, it doesn't stop them from making a joke about them nor should it. It wasn't directed at you.

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  • brookesaywhatx
    729 posts
    edited March 2014
    The Simpsons is a social/political satire. These kinds of jokes will be made. I lived in NY during 9/11 and I can't get myself all worked up every time someone makes a distasteful joke about the Twin Towers, Muslims, terrorism, etc. I don't think you need to get worked up about it. The creators of the game/Fox/The Simpsons' writers all know the despicable things that the IRA has done, it doesn't stop them from making a joke about them nor should it. It wasn't directed at you.

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  • fastdan1
    655 posts
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, I don't really get this. When they've made politically incorrect jokes about other groups, you we're fine with those because it wasn't an issue that was important to you?

    If they're making fun of other people, hilarity! If they're making fun of me, disgusting!
  • Annathewicked
    4713 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    Not that I agree with what they did- by there are two sides to any conflict and if you ask Irish people quite a few of them where in support of the Ira- no one likes being oppressed and man the English were great at world domination---- seeing as this is an Irish holiday(about an English guy) the comment seems fitting and wasnt meant to offend British nationals...... But since the whole holiday is steeped in this conflict between the two nations of course it's open for simpsons style political satire.
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  • HWick_Bluenose
    882 posts
    edited March 2014
    Well OK. BTW the IRA sent bomb packages only three weeks ago trying to injure people. Luckily they didn't succeed. And remind me, I don't recall any inappropriate jokes about 9/11 on the show? Or have I missed those shows? And, if I recall, the reaction from various rednecks regarding the NRA jibes were far from rational. You can take the defence of satire only so far. Still, there you go. Bye.
  • Igcognita
    1504 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    I must have missed the IRA reference, but I do understand how you must feel. As a Native New Yorker, I would not find a reference to the World Trade Towers amusing at all.
  • denthdeath
    81 posts
    edited March 2014
    Not that I agree with what they did- by there are two sides to any conflict and if you ask Irish people quite a few of them where in support of the Ira- no one likes being oppressed and man the English were great at world domination---- seeing as this is an Irish holiday(about an English guy) the comment seems fitting and wasnt meant to offend British nationals...... But since the whole holiday is steeped in this conflict between the two nations of course it's open for simpsons style political satire.

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  • greyandgrey
    11 posts
    edited March 2014
    So the Saint Patricks Day storyline has a reference during the colour blind thing to Tom joining the "benevolent IRA". For those not from the UK who are unaware the IRA murdered many innocent people in bomb attacks an the UK mainland, including people in the city I grew up in. Now it maybe the game makers are trying to be ironic but it is in the most appalling taste. Absolutely disgusting.

    Last time I spend a penny on this and maybe any EA product.

    I don't normally rant about things like this but they really need to think about what they class as humour (humor to you EA).

    Thank you.

    +1

    This is a sick comment.
  • Smurf1972
    353 posts
    edited March 2014
    I remember 'The Troubles' oh so well, in the late 70's they changed security on HM Forces bases substantially, especially when they kicked off on the mainland. We went from laid back to watching every movement with suspicion. Everyone was briefed about being potential targets and our routines had to be as random as possible within a structured organisation. The fear of retaliatory attacks because our unit was involved in a situation, or was doing something ceremonial, was palpable. As I understand it, it is still high on every security briefing, it won't go away till the hard liners stop spouting their hatred.

    Do I think the PIRA/Sinn Fein were/are murdering bar stewards? Yes I do. Do I think a joke aimed at them a good thing? Yes. If you'd been at the sticky end of the problems, you'd of heard some particularly outrageous jokes aimed at them. I'm sure that they had a few of their own aimed at us too.

    The British are proud of their humour in times of great stress. If you are connected to either civil disciplined forces, medics or HM Forces you will notice a very black humour, which when used at the right time, can diffuse a very stressfull period. I believe satire like this, portrayed through any media, shows how we can move on and forget.

    Remember we have just as much blood on our hands as the Provo's and Unionists have, whether it was justifiable or not, only history will tell...
  • Annathewicked
    4713 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    Not to mention, aside from my previous comments, the comment comes from Tom O'flanagan- the Irishman!- it's pretty natural for him to feel that way towards the Ira. The comment would have been bad if said by, um- Anyone Else! But from him, yes some people might want to make a deal out of it, but I reality it's perfectly ok for the Irish guy in the game to feel this way!

    The people who would take offense would tend to, I figure, be English- guess what? Some people in Ireland(and other parts of the world) still think your oppressing them. Not you personally, but the government- that's why it's political satire. The same political jokes could be made about the United States in some cases..... Can't change history. As I said unfourtuatly this holiday is steeped in the conflict between these two countries- it would almost be impossible not to bring it up at some point........
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  • mattmcshane
    427 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    It was a ridiculously inappropriate,unwise and downright silly reference to make. I agree with the op.

    For all the people trying to defend it, come back when a Muslim character in the game suggests they wanted to join the ****. Then you have an argument.
  • Annathewicked
    4713 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    Terrorist charector? I'd laugh.... Because it's meant to be funny.
    Example:
    <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/user/nakedgoddess420/media/Mobile Uploads/image-17.jpg.html&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/nakedgoddess420/Mobile Uploads/image-17.jpg&quot; /></a>


    Edit: spelling
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  • Smurf1972
    353 posts
    edited March 2014
    Terrorist charector? If laugh.... Because it's meant to be funny.
    Example:
    <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/user/nakedgoddess420/media/Mobile Uploads/image-17.jpg.html&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/nakedgoddess420/Mobile Uploads/image-17.jpg&quot; /></a>

    This character kills me all the time :mrgreen:. And we have had our share of Muslim terrorist attacks, just to stop the nay sayers.
  • Igcognita
    1504 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    Terrorist charector? If laugh.... Because it's meant to be funny.
    Example:
    <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/user/nakedgoddess420/media/Mobile Uploads/image-17.jpg.html&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/nakedgoddess420/Mobile Uploads/image-17.jpg&quot; /></a>


    I'm all for political satire, but I wouldn't want to see something like this on The Simpsons.
  • Itchem-Scratchem
    1338 posts
    edited March 2014
    If you watch the Simpsons then you know every single country has a reason to hate the show. It has offended Japan, Brazil, France, Iceland, Australia (I think) and the country with the most jokes against it is America

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  • dave3490
    2472 posts
    edited March 2014
    Terrorist charector? I'd laugh.... Because it's meant to be funny.
    Example:
    <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/user/nakedgoddess420/media/Mobile Uploads/image-17.jpg.html&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/nakedgoddess420/Mobile Uploads/image-17.jpg&quot; /></a>


    Edit: spelling

    Just watched this on YouTube, one of the funniest sketches i've seen in a long time, i was crying with laughter! :lol::lol::lol:
  • tom_pratt_123
    12 posts
    edited March 2014
    Not to mention, aside from my previous comments, the comment comes from Tom O'flanagan- the Irishman!- it's pretty natural for him to feel that way towards the Ira. The comment would have been bad if said by, um- Anyone Else! But from him, yes some people might want to make a deal out of it, but I reality it's perfectly ok for the Irish guy in the game to feel this way!

    The people who would take offense would tend to, I figure, be English- guess what? Some people in Ireland(and other parts of the world) still think your oppressing them. Not you personally, but the government- that's why it's political satire. The same political jokes could be made about the United States in some cases..... Can't change history. As I said unfourtuatly this holiday is steeped in the conflict between these two countries- it would almost be impossible not to bring it up at some point........

    In what world would an Irishman 'naturally feel that way' about the IRA? Sure they may feel strongly about a sovereign, even a united Ireland, but that by no means they are drawn to a terrorist organisation. It's insulting to suggest otherwise.

    You've made a stupid comment and it comes from a position, I can only assume, of total ignorance. And that's being kind to you. The IRA killed Irish people, as well.

    I agree with the OP and I thought it left a very sour taste.
  • Annathewicked
    4713 posts Member
    edited March 2014
    Not to mention, aside from my previous comments, the comment comes from Tom O'flanagan- the Irishman!- it's pretty natural for him to feel that way towards the Ira. The comment would have been bad if said by, um- Anyone Else! But from him, yes some people might want to make a deal out of it, but I reality it's perfectly ok for the Irish guy in the game to feel this way!

    The people who would take offense would tend to, I figure, be English- guess what? Some people in Ireland(and other parts of the world) still think your oppressing them. Not you personally, but the government- that's why it's political satire. The same political jokes could be made about the United States in some cases..... Can't change history. As I said unfourtuatly this holiday is steeped in the conflict between these two countries- it would almost be impossible not to bring it up at some point........

    This is a really stupid comment and it comes from a position, I can only assume from total ignorance. And that's being kind to you. The IRA killed Irish people, as well.

    I agree with the OP and I thought it left a very sour taste.

    I didn't say all Irish people would agree, I said some of them would be the ones to understand. As a person who still has family in he home country I understand this conflict well. And like I said- yes, the Ira took a wrong approach to a sentiment of anger towards the English that more than a few Irish share. Some of us just feel there are better solutions.
    You shouldn't speak ill of people you don't know personally.
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  • sacrlc
    15 posts
    edited March 2014
    I'm sorry, but I have to agree with HWick_Bluenose. The IRA killed a lot of people for political reasons and although they have been a bit quiet the last few years, the wounds are still raw.
    Humor about the Irish can be shown in other ways without being demeaning. Satire is a great way to poke fun at topic and beliefs but there is a line that should not be crossed when it is portrayed in a way that is very painful to those who were affected.
    We in the US have the advantage of no hostile neighbors that threaten our very existence, nor have we had the huge number of bombings and assassinations as the IRA performed that terrorized both Ireland and England. Before we pass judgment on what is satire/funny and what is not, walk a mile in your target's shoes first.
  • barrymcerlea
    2096 posts Member
    edited September 2014
    Smurf1972 wrote:

    Remember we have just as much blood on our hands as the Provo's and Unionists have, whether it was justifiable or not, only history will tell...
    I agree. There are two sides to every story and some posters are making one to be much worse than the other. In the early 70's my father, being a Catholic in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles, was nearly killed by loyalist parliamilitaries. If you are telling a story both sides must be told.
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  • fastdan1
    655 posts
    edited March 2014
    If you have not yet been offended by The Simpsons, please stand by...
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