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Donut farmers are cheaters

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  • GamerGD3
    3029 posts
    edited June 2016
    Let’s be clear — donut farming is not stealing and there is no reasonable justification for the idea that one should be banned for practicing it. As I’ve said elsewhere, if EA wants to stop or limit the practice via changes to the software, more power to ’em.

    Precisely. This is why they made limits/increases on the prices of houses. It took forever for them to do so, but they did it. It was done to discourage "farming".

    If they really wanted to **** this in the behind, they'd have put a 10 house limit of each color, and manually deleted items on everyone's account to match this item limit.

    (They've proven they can delete items - that's how extra SVT and Fabricate egg were removed from people's inventory)
  • josebot533
    891 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    josebot533 wrote:
    If you never paid a cent you shouldn't be farming donuts. And then have the audacity to complain to the company for whom your STEALING FROM. How is it fair that someone who's spent jack on this game have a higher % then someone who's been paying? As I've said...how you haven't been banned yet is beyond.

    As I’ve noted before in other contexts, I’m neither a donut farmer nor a freemium player, but I nevertheless strongly disagree with just about everything you’ve said here. A certain style of game play is either legal or it’s not legal; I find morally dubious the implied notion that paying players are somehow entitled to perform actions that should be denied to freemium players. Or that EA help reps are entitled to treat freemium players like second-class citizens. Let’s be clear — donut farming is not stealing and there is no reasonable justification for the idea that one should be banned for practicing it. As I’ve said elsewhere, if EA wants to stop or limit the practice via changes to the software, more power to ’em.

    The OP said he never spent a dollar on this game. And now has a 1100% bonus and makes 150 donuts a day. I'm premium (every item and fully decorated town) and have a 527.35% bonus. There is no way he could've gotten that many donuts to raise his bonus from a hundred (not sure what the standard freemium %) or so to 1100%.

    Look:
    1 whale is 300 donuts & 7%
    He would need 157 whales to be close to 1100%

    300×157=47,100 donuts.

    How can a freemium player get almost 50,000 donuts honestly?
  • AAArnie
    65 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    The simplest fix would be for EA to disable selling or storing KEMS, blood mobiles and rat traps. You could farm up to a point and then you're outhe of room.
  • KrustyBrand
    15340 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    josebot533 wrote:
    josebot533 wrote:
    If you never paid a cent you shouldn't be farming donuts. And then have the audacity to complain to the company for whom your STEALING FROM. How is it fair that someone who's spent jack on this game have a higher % then someone who's been paying? As I've said...how you haven't been banned yet is beyond.

    As I’ve noted before in other contexts, I’m neither a donut farmer nor a freemium player, but I nevertheless strongly disagree with just about everything you’ve said here. A certain style of game play is either legal or it’s not legal; I find morally dubious the implied notion that paying players are somehow entitled to perform actions that should be denied to freemium players. Or that EA help reps are entitled to treat freemium players like second-class citizens. Let’s be clear — donut farming is not stealing and there is no reasonable justification for the idea that one should be banned for practicing it. As I’ve said elsewhere, if EA wants to stop or limit the practice via changes to the software, more power to ’em.

    The OP said he never spent a dollar on this game. And now has a 1100% bonus and makes 150 donuts a day. I'm premium (every item and fully decorated town) and have a 527.35% bonus. There is no way he could've gotten that many donuts to raise his bonus from a hundred (not sure what the standard freemium %) or so to 1100%.

    Look:
    1 whale is 300 donuts & 7%
    He would need 157 whales to be close to 1100%

    300×157=47,100 donuts.

    How can a freemium player get almost 50,000 donuts honestly?

    Now you’re talking about specific numbers related to claims made by the OP. I’m not the least bit interested in whether the OP is being honest in his tale or whether it’s fabricated. I was responding solely to the general statements you made in your follow-up post about the relative merits and rights of paying versus freemium players and about the legality of donut farming.
  • BlackFloppyDisk
    771 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    josebot533 wrote:
    josebot533 wrote:
    If you never paid a cent you shouldn't be farming donuts. And then have the audacity to complain to the company for whom your STEALING FROM. How is it fair that someone who's spent jack on this game have a higher % then someone who's been paying? As I've said...how you haven't been banned yet is beyond.

    As I’ve noted before in other contexts, I’m neither a donut farmer nor a freemium player, but I nevertheless strongly disagree with just about everything you’ve said here. A certain style of game play is either legal or it’s not legal; I find morally dubious the implied notion that paying players are somehow entitled to perform actions that should be denied to freemium players. Or that EA help reps are entitled to treat freemium players like second-class citizens. Let’s be clear — donut farming is not stealing and there is no reasonable justification for the idea that one should be banned for practicing it. As I’ve said elsewhere, if EA wants to stop or limit the practice via changes to the software, more power to ’em.

    The OP said he never spent a dollar on this game. And now has a 1100% bonus and makes 150 donuts a day. I'm premium (every item and fully decorated town) and have a 527.35% bonus. There is no way he could've gotten that many donuts to raise his bonus from a hundred (not sure what the standard freemium %) or so to 1100%.

    Look:
    1 whale is 300 donuts & 7%
    He would need 157 whales to be close to 1100%

    300×157=47,100 donuts.

    How can a freemium player get almost 50,000 donuts honestly?

    I'll tell you how. The majority of my 1100% multiplier comes from tennis courts and wailing walls. Tennis courts were available for crafting last year in exchange for SH statues. The tennis courts were out in the open and available for everybody for 2 weeks. The wailing walls were available for crafting in the Halloween event last year for over a month, again, out in the open, available for everybody. Neither of those multiplier items were "fight club" specials. As for the other multiplier items, like news vans and billboards, I got them from mystery boxes. It has also been discussed multiple times on these forums that you can get 3% of multiplier for 20 donuts instead of the standard 1% for 20 donuts if you buy multiple mystery boxes. While your math is correct about the 300 donut whale for 7%, it is mathematically a bad deal compared to buying mystery boxes if your goal is to increase your multiplier. For 300 donuts worth of mystery boxes, you can get 45% of news vans and billboards.

    Your stats show that you have 300 messages posted, how did you not see any of the information I just posted? Again, the threads were out in the open, openly discussed, no fight clubs. If I was a cheater, I would not even bother contacting technical support, I would just give myself more donuts instead of grinding them out every 4 hours.
  • gamersometimes
    222 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    I'm sorry what's KEM and how do I farm donuts?? I'm confused.
  • Annathewicked
    4713 posts Member
    edited June 2016
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    PM me- I DO need Good Neighboreenos currently
  • rolybert7
    2776 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    Yes but what is a KEM?
    i wish it stood for **** Eligible Maidens but alas it doesn't :cry:
  • rolybert7
    2776 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    I'm sorry what's KEM and how do I farm donuts?? I'm confused.
    first you plant your donut seeds(Cheerios) add lots of fertilizer and when you have a good crop you harvest them!! :mrgreen:
  • Peppermallow
    212 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    The OP said he never spent a dollar on this game. And now has a 1100% bonus and makes 150 donuts a day. I'm premium (every item and fully decorated town) and have a 527.35% bonus. There is no way he could've gotten that many donuts to raise his bonus from a hundred (not sure what the standard freemium %) or so to 1100%.

    Back when table tennis tables and spooky walls were purchasable/craftable with an unadvertised-bonus %, some players went to town buying them. I bought as many as I could, and was considerably late to the party. I managed to get around 300% on top of what I already had. With that, i'm easily clearing 9-12 donuts every 4 hours.
  • cdepast
    2463 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    I suggest people game the system, within the rules, AND buy donuts. Grind away and support the game.
  • Fhfjgjghjikggji
    2942 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    cdepast wrote:
    I suggest people game the system, within the rules, AND buy donuts. Grind away and support the game.
    I agree
    We'll chew this planet up and spit it out!
  • gamersometimes
    222 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    The OP said he never spent a dollar on this game. And now has a 1100% bonus and makes 150 donuts a day. I'm premium (every item and fully decorated town) and have a 527.35% bonus. There is no way he could've gotten that many donuts to raise his bonus from a hundred (not sure what the standard freemium %) or so to 1100%.

    Back when table tennis tables and spooky walls were purchasable/craftable with an unadvertised-bonus %, some players went to town buying them. I bought as many as I could, and was considerably late to the party. I managed to get around 300% on top of what I already had. With that, i'm easily clearing 9-12 donuts every 4 hours.

    ok I get it unadvertised %; but how does that equate to donuts?
  • GamerGD3
    3029 posts
    edited June 2016
    The OP said he never spent a dollar on this game. And now has a 1100% bonus and makes 150 donuts a day. I'm premium (every item and fully decorated town) and have a 527.35% bonus. There is no way he could've gotten that many donuts to raise his bonus from a hundred (not sure what the standard freemium %) or so to 1100%.

    Back when table tennis tables and spooky walls were purchasable/craftable with an unadvertised-bonus %, some players went to town buying them. I bought as many as I could, and was considerably late to the party. I managed to get around 300% on top of what I already had. With that, i'm easily clearing 9-12 donuts every 4 hours.

    ok I get it unadvertised %; but how does that equate to donuts?

    This % bonus is then added upon collection of rents, tasks. To make it easy, I believe the Simpsons house is 1 XP every 30 seconds, or whatever it is. If his rate is 1100%, then that means every 30 seconds he receives 1100 XP points. Now - before level 60 and the other 800+ levels launched, you could get donut boxes for filling your XP meter. If the XP meter was set to like 400,000 - that means if he collected on JUST the Simpsons house, and did that 364 times, he would "level up". When presented with the donut box, he would then earn 3 donuts. (for those interested, that's about 3 hours of just tapping the Simpsons house - assuming I am correct that the refresh rate is 30 seconds, and payout is 1 XP).

    So, from his posts, we know he's been around for a long while, and is a current "house farmer". Meaning he was able to purchase nearly unlimited amounts of blue, white, orange houses - a vast amount of these at the original price. So if you are quite an active player already to log in at 8 hour/12 hour intervals - you will see a mega increase in XP per collection. The XP collider has been around not as long, but I'm sure when it launched - he's been buying the 10 day pass to always have it active. So that 3 donuts turns into 6, turning into 9, etc. I think the XP used to cap around 1 million (or was it 10 or 100 million? I don't know I'm not a farmer). So he would probably level up multiple times a day as he would easily hit it, assuming he sets his characters on 4 hour tasks (or maybe 1 hour?).

    This takes lots of dedication to be logging in as frequently as he does. This is not something you can just do once a day.

  • HappyGamer73
    2395 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    GamerGD3 wrote:
    The OP said he never spent a dollar on this game. And now has a 1100% bonus and makes 150 donuts a day. I'm premium (every item and fully decorated town) and have a 527.35% bonus. There is no way he could've gotten that many donuts to raise his bonus from a hundred (not sure what the standard freemium %) or so to 1100%.

    Back when table tennis tables and spooky walls were purchasable/craftable with an unadvertised-bonus %, some players went to town buying them. I bought as many as I could, and was considerably late to the party. I managed to get around 300% on top of what I already had. With that, i'm easily clearing 9-12 donuts every 4 hours.

    ok I get it unadvertised %; but how does that equate to donuts?

    This % bonus is then added upon collection of rents, tasks. To make it easy, I believe the Simpsons house is 1 XP every 30 seconds, or whatever it is. If his rate is 1100%, then that means every 30 seconds he receives 1100 XP points. Now - before level 60 and the other 800+ levels launched, you could get donut boxes for filling your XP meter. If the XP meter was set to like 400,000 - that means if he collected on JUST the Simpsons house, and did that 364 times, he would "level up". When presented with the donut box, he would then earn 3 donuts. (for those interested, that's about 3 hours of just tapping the Simpsons house - assuming I am correct that the refresh rate is 30 seconds, and payout is 1 XP).

    So, from his posts, we know he's been around for a long while, and is a current "house farmer". Meaning he was able to purchase nearly unlimited amounts of blue, white, orange houses - a vast amount of these at the original price. So if you are quite an active player already to log in at 8 hour/12 hour intervals - you will see a mega increase in XP per collection. The XP collider has been around not as long, but I'm sure when it launched - he's been buying the 10 day pass to always have it active. So that 3 donuts turns into 6, turning into 9, etc. I think the XP used to cap around 1 million (or was it 10 or 100 million? I don't know I'm not a farmer). So he would probably level up multiple times a day as he would easily hit it, assuming he sets his characters on 4 hour tasks (or maybe 1 hour?).

    This takes lots of dedication to be logging in as frequently as he does. This is not something you can just do once a day.

    A little over-generous on the math there. A 1100% bonus means that he would get 1100%(bonus) +100%(base) = 1200% bonus, or 12X the XP, so the Simpsons house in your example would net 12XP instead of 1.
  • GamerGD3
    3029 posts
    edited June 2016
    Thanks, I'm not normally the Math person on this forum.

    Was thinking that sounded too good to be true. However, it still explains how the bonus XP works (even if the numbers are way off).
  • HappyGamer73
    2395 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    GamerGD3 wrote:
    Thanks, I'm not normally the Math person on this forum.

    Was thinking that sounded too good to be true. However, it still explains how the bonus XP works (even if the numbers are way off).

    It absolutely does explain it, which is why I only corrected the math. :D
  • BlackFloppyDisk
    771 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    GamerGD3 wrote:
    The OP said he never spent a dollar on this game. And now has a 1100% bonus and makes 150 donuts a day. I'm premium (every item and fully decorated town) and have a 527.35% bonus. There is no way he could've gotten that many donuts to raise his bonus from a hundred (not sure what the standard freemium %) or so to 1100%.

    Back when table tennis tables and spooky walls were purchasable/craftable with an unadvertised-bonus %, some players went to town buying them. I bought as many as I could, and was considerably late to the party. I managed to get around 300% on top of what I already had. With that, i'm easily clearing 9-12 donuts every 4 hours.

    ok I get it unadvertised %; but how does that equate to donuts?

    This % bonus is then added upon collection of rents, tasks. To make it easy, I believe the Simpsons house is 1 XP every 30 seconds, or whatever it is. If his rate is 1100%, then that means every 30 seconds he receives 1100 XP points. Now - before level 60 and the other 800+ levels launched, you could get donut boxes for filling your XP meter. If the XP meter was set to like 400,000 - that means if he collected on JUST the Simpsons house, and did that 364 times, he would "level up". When presented with the donut box, he would then earn 3 donuts. (for those interested, that's about 3 hours of just tapping the Simpsons house - assuming I am correct that the refresh rate is 30 seconds, and payout is 1 XP).

    So, from his posts, we know he's been around for a long while, and is a current "house farmer". Meaning he was able to purchase nearly unlimited amounts of blue, white, orange houses - a vast amount of these at the original price. So if you are quite an active player already to log in at 8 hour/12 hour intervals - you will see a mega increase in XP per collection. The XP collider has been around not as long, but I'm sure when it launched - he's been buying the 10 day pass to always have it active. So that 3 donuts turns into 6, turning into 9, etc. I think the XP used to cap around 1 million (or was it 10 or 100 million? I don't know I'm not a farmer). So he would probably level up multiple times a day as he would easily hit it, assuming he sets his characters on 4 hour tasks (or maybe 1 hour?).

    This takes lots of dedication to be logging in as frequently as he does. This is not something you can just do once a day.

    A little over-generous on the math there. A 1100% bonus means that he would get 1100%(bonus) +100%(base) = 1200% bonus, or 12X the XP, so the Simpsons house in your example would net 12XP instead of 1.

    The math may be wrong, but other than that, it is fundamentally correct. I started playing during the first Superheros event. If somebody were to start today, it is still possible to farm donuts, but would require probably 2 years or more to get a sustainable donut farming operation up and running. Also, you would need another tennis court and wailing wall crafting opportunity to appear again.
  • gamersometimes
    222 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    is there now a time(level) when the XP bar is gone?
  • ArmpitAttack
    2353 posts Member
    edited June 2016
    it's always going to be there to refill, like our hampster wheel that gives us something to do, even when you're done with all the many levels. the amount of XP needed to fill it is what changes based on where you are in the game. And it fills 5x as fast when you have the XP Collider turned on.
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