Jets & Helis. Never good in BF. Worst in BF6

Yeah I know some love them shrug that's up to you. I just wish you'd be satisfied with combat flight sims and not want to carpet bomb Battlefield players.

As far as I'm concerned they are way too powerful and disconnected from the battlefield to be appropriate in Battlefield.

I love vehicles in Battlefield and I've played Battlefield since 1942. It's less of a problem with transport helis, but attack choppers being able to rain death from above and fly off at 150mph is pretty disjoint from the objectives and the experience of the majority of players.

Jets doubly so (or quadruply at 600mph+). With a half-competent pilot they are unkillable apart from with another jet and all that does is take two people out of the battle while they dogfight.

I distinctly remember arguments in chat in BF4 like "someone has to go fly a fighter jet, this enemy jet is murdering us" and no-one would want to because a) often the enemy jet was some ace that would shoot them down repeatedly and even if killed they would just be up again in a minute or two and b) no one wanted to waste their whole game flying about harassing the enemy jet when there was the actual game to be played.

Planes in BF1, however - a different story entirely. They are fantastic. Easy to fly for anyone, but mastering them is not so easy. Can be devastating, but can be taken down by small arms fire with some skill and/or co-ordination.

But modern helis and jets if they are modelled anything like realistically are just such a different beast. They are just random unavoidable frustrating annoying death-from-above just like they would be to an enemy in real life.

BF6 jets I hear the pilots aren't happy with. Can we just remove them?

The helis are awful to control with bad physics apparently. Remove them too?

Those who are using them despite the complaining are already making a real nuisance of themselves as they did in BF4 and BF3 and before.

If they must stay in can we please have better AA? Again in BF1 the AA was actually effective with a bit of skill. The AA in BF6 is awful. The cannonsdo little damage and you have to lead the target about half the map so unless the jet/heli is somehow needing to fly a straight line for a few miles (and stupid enough to do it) they can barely be touched.

The locking missiles are useless against the countermeasure-and-bug-out technique.

I'm not bad at Battlefield. After a few thousand hours in various version I'd call myself "above average"  and have spent a couple of matches in beta, just to test, only targeting jets and helis and have shot down one. That only because it was weakened and flew so close to me my stinger hit it before his countermeasures took effect.

And then the pilots complain "everyone has stingers!" as they shoot past. Only a problem for them because they can't farm kills with greater leisure...