@sirupflex wrote:Hi all, searched the whole HQ for answers, hope I didn't overlook and hence try to get your input here.
On my PC I am playing F1 23 (Steam) with the T248. Besides the known FFB issues the T248 seems to work fine so far (just started playing yesterday).
I also have connected to my PC some additional controllers, like a T16000 flight stick, thrust controller and the Logitech Farming Simulator side board. I don't need them in F1 23 obviously. Still, at every start-up, F1 23 tells me that I "have to" setup these controllers and does not leave me any choice but to go to the setup mode of these controllers. I then abort the setup and am in the game. And the T248 works fine. At the next start of F1 23, the same circus happens again.
Any advice on resolving this? I thought the game might have a setting somewhere to tell F1 23 not to bother with some of the controllers (like other games do) but looks like F1 23 does not have that. Any other advice? I wondered if I just go through a dummy setup with each of the controllers once, I might get rid of F1 23 bothering me. I was not sure, however, when I would assign steering, gas, brake, etc. to those controllers, if this messes up the T248 settings, so I didn't try that yet (i.e. the race wheel not working any more, which I want to avoid to get into that trouble). Any hints are welcomed!
Just to state the obvious: Disconnecting all the unnecessary controllers via USB just to play F1 23 is NOT an acceptable option for me.
And as the long-term solution, I would expect EA to have an in-game option to disable / ignore controllers you don't need.
You say 'not acceptable'. I say this is actually 'very common' advice. The way these controllers are defined (to the system) is very similar through the controller APIs.
It's often been the advice to unplug the (gamepad) controllers, they are USB connected. USB connection is versatile and designed around hot plug / unplug scenarios. Advising removal is a simple workaround. I congratulate you on finding your much longer and more difficult workaround, the advice is useful if it is ever deemed relevant by the appropriate parties.
Striking a balance between 'supported controllers' and a complete allowlist / blocklist scenario means I think it is highly likely to be disregarded. Enable / disable isn't quite as simple as the device remains attached to the system with allocated resources and power draw. And it may be called by external parties or programs without the core game. You can use 'Device Manager' to disable controllers (I've done it where I can't reach network sockets or cables easily, for example) or simply unplugging the control cable (power cables may be off the USB and external).
I've often posted that people using 'unsupported controllers' can't necessarily expect patch or future support (especially if the controller is unsupported / superceded by the manufacturer). But, to remove support entirely for non-allowlist controllers would be quite draconian.
I have given XP for the posts in the other thread about the crashing, but you'll notice I remain consistent with this thinking and would advocate the removal of the 'problem' devices one way or another. I've worked around issues with other settings in mainboard UEFI BIOS to 'resolve' other controller issues.
@SteveJackson , I'm sorry I can't follow any of your arguments at all, and I'm not sure if you understood the issue and the impact for your customers.
So to summarize: I have a race wheel T248 that is officially supported by F1 23. I do not have any "controller issues" on my PC. All controllers work perfectly fine in every of the many games I have. F1 23 is the only game that in the config cannot handle properly multiple controllers attached to a PC. So I do not have a "controller issue", but F1 23 has a controller issue. I suggested to implement in the settings an option where I can tell F1 23 which controllers are relevant for the game and which ones not (like other games do). Because F1 23 absolutely can differentiate all the different controllers on my PC. In the mentioned dialogue box at start-up, F1 23 lists correctly all 3 unused (and unnecessary) controllers I have in addition to the T248, with correct identification name. At this point, all I need is a dialogue to click a checkbox next to each of the 3 controllers to tell F1 23 "hey just ignore those controllers, they don't have to be configured, you don't need it". As it is possible in so many other games.
It's 2023...games should be asking the user which controller they are using, and ignoring the ones not selected.
Almost every other game handles this issue perfectly fine without needing to unplug anything.
Thank you, yes I fully agree, this is exactly what it is about.
For me it sometimes feels a bit weird when there is such an issue that is clearly a lack of the game's ability to handle things properly, but as a user I am asked to unplug things each time before starting the game, doing BIOS upgrades and whatever (I'm an IT professional for decades, by the way). I very much appreciate all the support and responses I get here and I know it's a very tough job supporting "the mob" in a forum remotely. But what happens here is that the problem and the responsibility for the problem is just pushed over to the user.
Instead, I would expect EA to take responsibility for this issue themselves. They are the only ones who can resolve it for each and every single user, i.e. paying customer, of their software. And the issue I raised is not about "not working due to xyz individual PC config" that might be difficult to reproduce and handle. It is a simple and standard set of code EA would need to implement to avoid this hassle for everyone.
