[Tyres] file ERP
I'm starting to study the tyres file ERP (thanks @P4st3l1ak), having the new C0 compound the code name looks shifted by 1 place, before to make the wrong assumptions, what do you think about @Actuall...
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@Nuvolarix Could you also post the weight distribution of the cars? I feel the Aston Martin car is massively underperforming compared to where they are in the performance ranking. Alonso is a long way behind the Ferrari and Mercedes cars and more often battling with Lando and the Alpines. I also noticed I had to lower the difficulty by 7 points driving in the Aston Martin car compared to the Williams car to place the car where it's supposed to be. This also happened after I had upgraded the cars a fair bit. I constantly got better results than expected with the Williams on 100 AI while struggling at 93 AI with the Aston Martin, it feels like some upgrades don't apply or something.
@ImpartialCross06 is actually not easy at all to find out the weight distribution of the cars without knowing how is calculated from the physics engine.
@DavidGG53 wrote:
@ImpartialCross06is actually not easy at all to find out the weight distribution of the cars without knowing how is calculated from the physics engine.@ImpartialCross06 it looks we cannot have the whole scenario...
Some sample of wear/temp grip for one compound ๐
(sorry, I was playing around with Python, couldn't resist)
@DavidGG53 wrote:
@ImpartialCross06is actually not easy at all to find out the weight distribution of the cars without knowing how is calculated from the physics engine.I mean COMZ seems to be 0.054 this game and I'd guess that would mean 54% distribution to rear. In previous games it was always over 0.100 which had the interesting calculations as Greco told in last years thread. However I'd presume, seeing the COMZ number being that small, that 0.054 is the actual weight distribution to the rear.
- @Mikulitsi Yes, but I was mostly referring to the COMY value in the chassis section when asking about weight distribution, because this is the value that changes when you do weight distribution upgrades in myteam/career mode.
- @Mikulitsi No is not.
- @ImpartialCross06 Comy is centre of mass height. Higher number actually is lower centre of mass. Don't ask ๐
- @DavidGG53 Cant make everything 100% logical hahah videos on ingame logic of Age of Empires are the best in that regard.. Hit a building made of stone long enough with an axe and it will set on fire but never burn down, pure gold๐
@DavidGG53 wrote:
@MikulitsiNo is not.Yeah probably you are right.
I actually looked at what Greco said last year:
Red Bull's COMZ is at 0.054 as I said in an earlier post. Presuming that COMZ is calculated the same way as in previous years the weight distribution for Red Bull is 51.5% rear - 48.5% front
51.5%*1.8 - 48.5%*1.8 = 0.054Hellow fellow data fans ๐
For example, when you do a quali lap on softs, you wear your tire (like 10% with out and in-lap)
When you're back into the garage to change for new softs to improve your quali time, the game tells you how much a new tire will be faster depending on tire wear you have due to your 1st tentative
Is there something in the files to know time you gain/lose with a new/used tyre ?
Example
5% wear = -0.3s
10% = -0,6s
and so on (figures are pure example i know this is probably not linear)@Mikulitsi @DavidGG53 is Greco ๐๐
- @Mikulitsi Ah, I had answered it last year then ๐คฃ. Well yes then it should still be that system. But again, always with a pinch of salt, as I don't work there anymore ๐
- @Djazz98 Not directly in the available files, its a background translation from wear to expected laptime but it shows the grip amount you will have at a given wear% and yes its especially early on not linear at all ๐ For those who want to do the maths on average one can calculate per percentage of tyre grip 0.3s laptime gain/loss in the game but that works on the total amount of grip a tyre provides not on the grip loss/wear%..
For example:
C5 at 100% has 98% total grip = ~1.20.00s laptime
C5 at 25% only has 93.18% of its grip which means 93.18% of 98% = 91.32% grip which means a loss of ~2s laptime = ~1.22.00s
However C2 at 100% only have 93.5% total grip = ~1.21.35s
C2 at 25% has 94.37% grip left so 94.37% of 93.5% = 88.23% grip which means a loss of ~1.58s = ~1.22.93s laptime
Grip loss at higher wear% is much more promoted at softer tyres though as was shown by a nice graph from David previously
So its in the files as we can see the wear rate, the base grip and the grip loss at certain wear but it requires a lot of simple math to do it for all the tyres and wear haha hope i could somewhat help
@ScarDuck14 wrote:@Mikulitsi @DavidGG53 is Greco ๐๐
Oh * my bad then @DavidGG53
You had a different account back then so thought you weren't Greco- @Mikulitsi Ye, that's ok. I don't have that account since I left the company.
- @Djazz98 Its in the files, the total grip of each tyre compound (defined at 0 wetness)
There is data for each compound how much relative grip of their total grip they lose at a certain amount of wear.
As i said 1% of total grip is roughly equal to 0.3s on the average track - this changes based on the characteristics of the track.
91.32% is 6.68% less than 98% (the total grip of a C5 tyre). 6.68*0.3s = 2.004s.
Just fyi the total maximum grip for all dry compounds:
C5 = 98%
C4 = 96.5%
C3 = 95%
C2 = 93.5%
C1 = 92.75%
C0 = 92%
so the C0 is 6*0.3s slower on average than a C5 for example = 1.8s - @Meza994
"Its in the files, the total grip of each tyre compound (defined at 0 wetness)" --> you mean the "Wetness Grip chart on the sheet ?
"There is data for each compound how much relative grip of their total grip they lose at a certain amount of wear." --> if I understand well, it's the "WearGrip" chart on sheet
"As i said 1% of total grip is roughly equal to 0.3s on the average track - this changes based on the characteristics of the track." --> do you have that precise information for all tracks ?
@Djazz98 wrote:
@Meza994
"Its in the files, the total grip of each tyre compound (defined at 0 wetness)" --> you mean the "Wetness Grip chart on the sheet ?Exactly, the X = 0.000000 value has the maximum grip a compound has as the Y value
"There is data for each compound how much relative grip of their total grip they lose at a certain amount of wear." --> if I understand well, it's the "WearGrip" chart on sheetYup X = amount of wear; Y = how much relative grip is left from the maximum grip of the compound
"As i said 1% of total grip is roughly equal to 0.3s on the average track - this changes based on the characteristics of the track." --> do you have that precise information for all tracks ?No sorry
- @Meza994
"So its in the files as we can see the wear rate, the base grip and the grip loss at certain wear but it requires a lot of simple math to do it for all the tyres and wear haha hope i could somewhat help"
so I guess you can help me complete the Wear/Grip chart with grip for each wear percentage ? - @Djazz98 Its not correct because 98% grip is the maximum the C5 will ever have so you need to use the difference between 91.32 and 98 to calculate the difference in laptime. Thats why you take the 6.68 by 0.3s
I dont mean to be rude but im not feeling like going through the whole chart with anyone, its just nothing im interested in๐ but i will try to make you understand the equasion needed so you can do it yourself
