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Agree that there is no real improvement on the ai drs/ ers trains. Perhaps suggesting it isn't really a ers issue.
I think it is a combination of 3 things.
Drs being slightly too powerful
Dirty air being almost non existent.
The teams being too evenly matched on race pace. The same clumps of teams are in drs trains every race.. mclaren/ merc/ ferrari... alpine / rb.. Williams/ stake / haas... need more variance in race pace.. more strategy.. maybe more tyre wear to stop these races just falling into 3 drs trains and big gaps in between where you have massively boring races.
@hartag88 wrote:Agree that there is no real improvement on the ai drs/ ers trains. Perhaps suggesting it isn't really a ers issue.
I think it is a combination of 3 things.
Drs being slightly too powerful
Dirty air being almost non existent.
The teams being too evenly matched on race pace. The same clumps of teams are in drs trains every race.. mclaren/ merc/ ferrari... alpine / rb.. Williams/ stake / haas... need more variance in race pace.. more strategy.. maybe more tyre wear to stop these races just falling into 3 drs trains and big gaps in between where you have massively boring races.
I do think the drs Is overpowered. It's too easy to sit behind the AI and rely on DRS alone. It also makes it extremely difficult to break away.
- 8 months ago@ADunky I will say it once more, DRS is the most realistic it has ever been, they cant change it!
However the dirty air and all its downsides are ridiculously low and dont even affect the AI much..
The dirty air downforce loss ingame is meant to be 6% i guess - can only guess as they added some things i dont quite understand apart from differing the downforce loss for front and rear DF.. However F1 drivers have said this year the dirty air is more similar to 2019-2021 which was about 45%..
Also the AI DONT have any engine overheating while following another car which is extremely bad for the game. While it shouldnt be extreme, even 2% less engine power while within 1s of another car would make it harder to follow, same goes for tyre temps which are also not working in any meaningful way for the AI..
Add those 3 together and you have proper realistic following of other cars, even if tuned down a bit to not make casuals annoyed- IanM2828 months agoSeasoned Ace
An observation I've also made with the AI and depending on your AI difficulty setting, it is hard to break away from them. This was never the case in F123 which to this day had the best AI of any.
I can break DRS occasionally early on, but it's like the AI are automatically programmed to send a driver out of the pack to hunt you down and reel you back in. Then the rest of the front pack follow.
I don't mind this if it's realistic. But if I'm driving in a top team with fast race pace, despite either using up battery or not they always seem to reel you back in. Unless it's set on an easy difficulty.
I'll say it again, the AI straight line speed on some tracks is so unrealistic and enjoyment sapping. Just as it was in F122.
I honestly do think there is huge potential in F124, I really do. There are a lot of things I like over F123.
Unfortunately until the awful AI issues are fixed it's a considerable departure from F123.
Needs much more work.
- 8 months ago
@IanM282 wrote:An observation I've also made with the AI and depending on your AI difficulty setting, it is hard to break away from them. This was never the case in F123 which to this day had the best AI of any.
I can break DRS occasionally early on, but it's like the AI are automatically programmed to send a driver out of the pack to hunt you down and reel you back in. Then the rest of the front pack follow.
I don't mind this if it's realistic. But if I'm driving in a top team with fast race pace, despite either using up battery or not they always seem to reel you back in. Unless it's set on an easy difficulty.
I'll say it again, the AI straight line speed on some tracks is so unrealistic and enjoyment sapping. Just as it was in F122.
I honestly do think there is huge potential in F124, I really do. There are a lot of things I like over F123.
Unfortunately until the awful AI issues are fixed it's a considerable departure from F123.
Needs much more work.
The biggest problem for me is that if I can't break away from the AI, and the AI can't break away from me, my strategy is basically to sit in second place in the group and wait until the last lap, then use all my ERS to overtake.
If I do overtake earlier, I just end up having a big group behind me with no way to pull away. The only good news is that the AI is useless at overtaking, but then it makes it boring..
- 8 months ago@Meza994 I agree drs alone feels balanced but if dirty air is not simulated then drs needs to be reduced to maintain some balance.
Team performance being a little wider.. like in 23.. would help as would more variety in strategy. A lot of races the ai do the same strategy and all pit within two laps so it gives no chance for the drs train to get broken- 8 months ago@hartag88 The thing is we shouldnt make realistic things less realistic because they dont work fine yet with things that are not yet made realistic.. They should go for the more realistic way as long as they make it playable which is possible, just give proper tutorials to the new dirty air levels and dont make it as oversteery as in previous years, casuals can much rather deal with understeery dirty air than with oversteery, they just need to brake earlier
Regarding the team performances your are mostly right, however the base performances are not even bad in terms of field spread, a tiny bit more but not much. However engine temps being not ideal in race, tyre temps almost ALWAYS above the ideal temp in races IRL and tyre wear cause vastly different race paces team to team and track conditions to track conditions, by modding you can get some things more realistic and even by different tyre wear you get more variety in strategies but with engine temps and tyre temps the pace differences team to team should vary more than half a second depending on track temps, air temps or the tyre compound, like Haas last year, overheating tyres more than others would have a lower deficit on harder tyres due to the overheating being less drastic
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