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If I may hijack your response to get on my (related) soap box...You are right that michigan goals are the result of not preventing them, like any other play really. My issue is they have been made too easy with Total Control. An extremely high skill play is now only a one button press which changes the feasibility of the move, which changes how often it shows up in games. As some who leans more toward the "realism" side of the Chel slider, I dont love that we have to setup our defensive schemes on the probability of a michigan every time a player goes behind the net.
@Modulater83 wrote:You are right that michigan goals are the result of not preventing them, like any other play really. My issue is they have been made too easy with Total Control. An extremely high skill play is now only a one button press which changes the feasibility of the move
The Michigan still requires timing (it's not just a button press. it's a hold and timed release), it requires time and space (defensive error) and when playing with a human goalie, the goalie needs to be oblivious to the obvious Michigan setup.
It's disingenuous to say "The Michigan is only one button press". Technically, you're right - but as is the case with most things in this game - there's more nuance than that and it's not just a simple button press.
@PlayoffError wrote: And it doesn't really require any setup. You can trigger the lacrosse attempt skating full speed behind the net so if you park yourself on the post as the skater is going behind the net on the other side you're really committing yourself.
The Michigan does require a setup in that you can easily pinpoint when the animation starts as a defender. An observant defender with a keen eye towards Michigan attempts can easily shut these down in any mode.
Parking yourself at the post is not required as skilled and experienced defenders can continue covering the slot and hustle to a michigan attempt when they observe the setup. Skilled and observant human goalies can also instantly shutdown any lacrosse attempt by hugging the post.
The issue I have with the lacrosse goal in EASHL is that the lacrosse perk isn't required. The other day, I was able to score a michigan with defensive defenceman. This should be impossible.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Modulater83 wrote:You are right that michigan goals are the result of not preventing them, like any other play really. My issue is they have been made too easy with Total Control. An extremely high skill play is now only a one button press which changes the feasibility of the move
The Michigan still requires timing (it's not just a button press. it's a hold and timed release), it requires time and space (defensive error) and when playing with a human goalie, the goalie needs to be oblivious to the obvious Michigan setup.
It's disingenuous to say "The Michigan is only one button press". Technically, you're right - but as is the case with most things in this game - there's more nuance than that and it's not just a simple button press.
@PlayoffError wrote: And it doesn't really require any setup. You can trigger the lacrosse attempt skating full speed behind the net so if you park yourself on the post as the skater is going behind the net on the other side you're really committing yourself.The Michigan does require a setup in that you can easily pinpoint when the animation starts as a defender. An observant defender with a keen eye towards Michigan attempts can easily shut these down in any mode.
Parking yourself at the post is not required as skilled and experienced defenders can continue covering the slot and hustle to a michigan attempt when they observe the setup. Skilled and observant human goalies can also instantly shutdown any lacrosse attempt by hugging the post.
The issue I have with the lacrosse goal in EASHL is that the lacrosse perk isn't required. The other day, I was able to score a michigan with defensive defenceman. This should be impossible.
As a human goalie it’s easy to stop. I’ve only let up a couple and both times were when I wasn’t fully paying attention.
It really doesn't require any setup. In this clip the skater starts the lacrosse shot at speed and it takes about a second and a half to go from starting the animation to the puck being in the net. There's no way a defender is reasonably going to be covering the slot and make to the post in time to stop that shot unless they start moving before the animation starts which will open up the front of the net. In this clip the defender ( in this case me ) is lower defending a player in front, but the split second it takes to recognize the animation is all it takes to allow the goal.
The idea that the lacrosse somehow takes a long time to get going and gives defenders a chance to skate from the slot to the post to stop it without starting that motion before the animation starts just isn't true.
Could this goal have been prevented without me knowing ahead of time the lacrosse shot was coming? Maybe in a perfect world with instantaneous reaction time and no bodies ( either the other team or my own goalie ) to get in the way.
@PlayoffError wrote:In this clip the defender ( in this case me ) is lower defending a player in front, but the split second it takes to recognize the animation is all it takes to allow the goal.
The issue is that you tried a poke check against a player that was actively skating behind the net. This limits your ability to track the player as he progresses through the animation:
Then, as the Lacrosse animation plays out, you actively skate away:
The defender on your team that was in the best position to stop it decided to execute a poke check rather than use the body:
@PlayoffError wrote:The idea that the lacrosse somehow takes a long time to get going and gives defenders a chance to skate from the slot to the post to stop it without starting that motion before the animation starts just isn't true.
I did not say "the lacrosse takes a long time". I said that experienced, skilled and acute defensive observers can stop this play all the time as the animation does have start-end keyframes that are easy to recognize. I've laid out all of the instances in the sequence above that prevented your team from stopping it.
- @KidShowtime1867 First, I'm 14 not 11. Second, are you implying that if 11 didn't poke he'd somehow be able to skate through the crease, avoid the goalie and all the other players and get himself into position to block the shot?
As for what I did. There was no way I was getting my body in the way in time. Attempting to poke before the puck left the ice was the only option left in what little time I had.
But I guess we're not all as perfect as you.
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