@KlariskraysNHL wrote:@PernellKarl027But look how EA represents their sports games. It's always like 80% real with 20% arcade. I mean Madden has plays that people deem cheating because they are so effective. FC (formerly FIFA) has so many crazy unrealistic things like strikers running back and forth full field, and still the most basic of moves confuse the AI with the fake shot in the box and ball roll working all the time.
EA just does their sports this way. Even 2K has crazy plays. I'd say MLB The Show is the closest thing to a sim experience without changing settings.The difference is people can choose to play a full sim way if they want but most are gonna sprinkle in that arcade feel because it is fun.
I would love an NHL game that's 80% real! Sounds like a dream! We're at 20% real with 80% arcade that's what everyone is complaining about right now!!
I love EA FC for pro clubs - its a great balance imo.
I lvoe madden 24 - first ive bought since 16 as they were going through their own dry/not fun spell. Im definitiely not a "full sim" guy!!
@KlariskraysNHL wrote:
@Limp_KidzKit@PernelKarl027 has proven to us you can play a sim experience in the games for NHL.
For EA FC you talking all humans or CPU in there? 11v11 humans is great but when AI gets involved they can be abused with simple tactics/moves. I will say for the most goalies are insane for CPU there.
Thanks ! But I got really overzealous on 23 to achieve something really closer to that of a real NHL game. I’m playing 15 minutes periods right now of what I consider the closest to the REAL thing.
We’ve put more than 1000 hours to achieve this… Keep in mind that if we had a Global Editor of some sorts, time would have been way less.
You think that anyone that looks for a "hardcore" experience has that kind of time to do all of this ? Also to learn all the in's and out’s of sliders and players edits ?
There needs to be an option for hockey guys like us (maybe few) to have a semblance of that experience OOTB IMO.
@KlariskraysNHL wrote:
@Limp_KidzKit@PernelKarl027 has proven to us you can play a sim experience in the games for NHL.
For EA FC you talking all humans or CPU in there? 11v11 humans is great but when AI gets involved they can be abused with simple tactics/moves. I will say for the most goalies are insane for CPU there.
Sim according to who? I cant get a sim experience on an EA game. have you watched the goalies in 23 and 24 lol? theyre about as robotic an unbelievable as a 2000's PS1 game. From the pucks they eat to the pucks they spit out to the lack of 1st shot goals with multiple options to the insane reaction times...its just not sim at all.
defense dont pinch properly, theres zero realistic forecheck strategies, the AI cant execute any of the available powerplay strats, AI still dont know how to play a 6v5, what is "sim" about it?
Not to mention the fact that karl has spents literally hundreds..probably thousands of hours editing global attributes and sliders and hes created a "kinda" sim experience (to no fault of his own) - just goes to show how this is 20% real and 80% arcade. If you dedicate your whole year and do crazy amounts of testing and slider tweaking, you can almost get this game to look like high school level hockey when the stars align and the AI accidentally do something correct for a few sequences in a row.
As far as fifa goes, i said pro clubs. EASHL would have to "dial 1" or an operator to even remotely try and contact the "sim" world. its not even remotely close. at least fifa can flow like soccer. Its expedited and faster with high success rates, sure. But the way you can control the pace, find space, and the way ball movement is effective flows so much more organically and naturally than eashl. eashl is a game for toddlers in my opion. 0-5 trap, sprint fdown the wall, wiggle wiggle wiggle, force your 800 mph pass to your buddy who is in a full sprint and has zero consequences for it and watch him tee up a 1-t in stride.
its like shockuing how little hockey is offered in eashl compared to fifa pro clubs.
Sim according to who? I cant get a sim experience on an EA game. have you watched the goalies in 23 and 24 lol? theyre about as robotic an unbelievable as a 2000's PS1 game. From the pucks they eat to the pucks they spit out to the lack of 1st shot goals with multiple options to the insane reaction times...its just not sim at all.
Hey man ! I’m very proud to say that we have fixed ROBO. That was one of the main things I wanted to fix in our last update 😀
Not to mention the fact that karl has spents literally hundreds..probably thousands of hours editing global attributes and sliders and hes created a "kinda" sim experience (to no fault of his own) - just goes to show how this is 20% real and 80% arcade. If you dedicate your whole year and do crazy amounts of testing and slider tweaking, you can almost get this game to look like high school level hockey when the stars align and the AI accidentally do something correct for a few sequences in a row.
I was agreeing with you until you said High School Level hockey, lol ! Now come on ! Have you tested our latest setup ?
@PernellKarl027 wrote:Sim according to who? I cant get a sim experience on an EA game. have you watched the goalies in 23 and 24 lol? theyre about as robotic an unbelievable as a 2000's PS1 game. From the pucks they eat to the pucks they spit out to the lack of 1st shot goals with multiple options to the insane reaction times...its just not sim at all.
Hey man ! I’m very proud to say that we have fixed ROBO. That was one of the main things I wanted to fix in our last update 😀
Not to mention the fact that karl has spents literally hundreds..probably thousands of hours editing global attributes and sliders and hes created a "kinda" sim experience (to no fault of his own) - just goes to show how this is 20% real and 80% arcade. If you dedicate your whole year and do crazy amounts of testing and slider tweaking, you can almost get this game to look like high school level hockey when the stars align and the AI accidentally do something correct for a few sequences in a row.
I was agreeing with you until you said High School Level hockey, lol ! Now come on ! Have you tested our latest setup ?
Yes. The AI just don't have even close to the foundational strategies to replicate NHL hockey. Only so much can be done with "1-2-2 passive" lol. The AI just dont have the patience and creative puck movement to replicate high level hockey. Like i said, no fault of your own its just the game.
