@couture2fat2flyThis is my thoughts exactly. What I take issue with is people telling me I'm "wrong" for doing "X" play and you have no idea the context of the game, the type of opponents I'm playing against, and what's going on across the entire ice in the clip's span of 40 seconds with one angle.
Again, if you have more wins than I have, play the same game modes as much as I do, have a better +/- and your 6's team is better than mine, by all means tell me exactly what you'd do and what I did wrong because I can certainly learn from you, otherwise I don't want to hear why you think I made the wrong decision. What I'm trying to bring up is why I'm getting punished for a player skating right at me and neither the poke nor my body right in front of him is any deterrence for him skating right at me as fast as he possibly can.
However, the problem we run into here on the forums is that you have HUT players telling people mechanics like Hip-Check is fine and dandy, but in 6's it's being abused so much that EA seems like they're planning to do something about it. Then there's people saying that we should break down plays on a 1v1 basis. Why should we break down plays on a 1v1 basis and limit the lens to just two players in a 6's game?? News flash. The reason I didn't clobber some guy on the blue line with a hit in a 1v1 situation on most occasions is because there's two other guys right behind or right next to him that are just going to pick the puck up after the hit while I take myself out of the play.
In your last few posts you seem to be a bit high on your horse here…. If people don’t play high level 6's, or don’t have a better record than you, then they don’t know how to play hockey ? Or give their insight on a certain play ?
Would be nice if you post clips a bit longer than 2 seconds 😉 Would maybe give a better understanding of what is the issue your having.
@PernellKarl027You don't need more than 2 seconds to realize what's happening.
Clip 1: D anticipates the pass and it goes right by him for no other reason. Trying to fight for the puck as a D in the D-zone is insane. Even anticipating passes rarely yields results. Not even going to comment on one player challenging goalie and three other players only to take a crappy shot and the rebound seems to go exactly to... surprise.
https://runawaylegatus.com/majjama/roleplay/Furc/intercept2.mp4 - Here's a clip of me (Right D @ 10 secs in) trying to intercept a pass right at the beginning. I'm literally positioned to intercept, if anything, I should've disrupted the play, but it ends up as a perfect reception anyway. Then at 35 secs the opponent passes through my forward and I double back to intercept or break up the pass (again). If you freeze frame at 35 you can see the puck goes through my stick for another perfect reception. It's not hyperbole to say that this happens the vast majority of the time.
Clip 2, 3: Do you even have to ask what's the issue here with players literally pressed up against each other, the clipping through the stick, and the offensive player auto-regains the puck as the D keeps getting taken out of the play.
Clip 4: Just like in one of the examples that I posted myself, the majority of pokes go opposite of where you're poking. Not back the other way, not to the side, not bobbling, but directly behind you. When that happens, the poke slows you down. Then you can't pivot fast enough because that got nerfed games ago. Now all we have is players skating as fast as they can into the D and being rewarded for it. In NHL 22 (23 to a lesser extent), I could time my pokes perfectly to go back the other way when they hit. Case in point, the physics were better in past games, but what's new.
So yeah, PK, if you need longer clips to see what the issue is here, how're you going to help me or any other person that's concerned with the defensive side of the game?
@Jammalammalam wrote:https://runawaylegatus.com/majjama/roleplay/Furc/intercept2.mp4 - Here's a clip of me (Right D @ 10 secs in) trying to intercept a pass right at the beginning. I'm literally positioned to intercept
No you're not. You skate right into the puck carrier mashing poke check.. again:
Attacking the puck carrier was the right move, but once again you're mashing poke check and expecting to come out with an interception when this was a perfect time for an open ice hit.
Hitting poke check will negate a chance of interception during those frames. That's how real hockey works. If you've got one hand on the stick and you're just thrusting it randomly in the hopes you'll disrupt the puck - a well placed pass will go right through you. As it should.
@couture2fat2fly wrote:
@JammalammalamKeep in mind that the biggest challenges for bad players have always been to not skate into people and lose the puck and to find the open passes.
This year the game was made to suit and reward their style so of course there are going to be a bunch of happy players. By and large however, the competitive community is pretty sick with the current gameplay.
https://youtu.be/8ntB4R9Zq78?si=ZI-Iy0IbjVAuWo38
https://youtu.be/GZtN4eMBNnk?si=qopZ3S_qBPTVwCBz
https://youtu.be/1VFQzkzoAfc?si=DFzjoDPM8VXRITEf
https://youtu.be/lSY2a9ftv0w?si=NZY8htI6MbnMaq3B
once again, you skate directly at the puck carrier hitting poke check and you get caught
Here is you should defend that:
In this video, teal should've used body check. Instead, hits DSS, decides not to and then mashes poke check again.
what's funny about this is that if teal ended up with the puck here after mashing and blindly poke checking, you'd likely have no issue with how it turned out.
I agree.
I play mostly CHEL on now days. Here are some new problems:
HIP CHECKS
This game is hip checks after hip checks. That was somehow difficult to do before but now with total controls you can do it by pressing one button. Its too easy to do and its too effective. Everybody is spamming that all the time. A Hit barely hits you and you always fall down. Sometimes you even get boost when you press square and you can hit a player from behind. Ridicilous. EA also should change those dekes what you can do with total controls.
MOMENTUM
This is not working. Time should be longer. Its not makes sense that opponent have a puck like 25 seconds and then you lost all your endurance. You cant even skate. Your player is so tired. If you have a penalty and you get out of the box you still dont have any endurance. You just doesnt have speed.
BATTLES IN THE FRONT OF THE NET
Everyone knows that there has been delay (YEARS) when you press right stick up (shot). You can get penalties if you cant get the puck when you try to shot onetimer.
For some reason, EA does not want to fix this delay.
Well now its even more "fun" than before. Same thing. You get penalties really easily in front of the net if you are attacking but now defending team can push / hit opponent players as much as they want and doesnt matter if they dont have puck. No penalties. Never.
Now i have to ask that does EA have people who testing this game before release?
This is unbelievable how you "developing" this hockey game year after a year. I would like to know how much customers you have lost in these years. NHL game will probably not sell very well because you are not investing in it at all. You create hundreds of HUT cards, mascots and other not so important things rather than develop the game itself.
Money talks. Yes we can see that.
Lets hope that some other company create NHL game in the near future.
If we can get some kind of competition to the market then maybe EA would start developing more of this game and start fixing those problems what we have.
@KidShowtime1867There was no manual poke here. This is one of several auto-animations you get when puck is in flight and your guy wants to intercept or disrupt. What exasperates this is that I get within stick/arm glitch territory because I'm too close or even in his stick. Even if there was a manual poke here, the issue is that in past games, there would be a loss of puck possession. Enough that players needed to skate for the puck. Since 23, the auto-animation to reached for pucks (a lot of the time, through sticks and bodies) seems to have been dialed up to where you can clip through sticks and the player with the puck regains possession. This is because pokes have become so weak that they are simply nudged off sticks for a half-second and auto-picked back up. Even if you are backing up in defend mode and don't "blind mash poke", good players know exactly when to use RS and not just a blue line deke and LS (in your example). I can almost forgive that scenario if I'm being too passive with every zone entry, but again, playing GOOD teams you have to be aggressive.
@Jammalammalam wrote:@KidShowtime1867There was no manual poke here.
If we're going to have an honest discussion about what can and can't be done to improve defence, it's imperative that you be honest about what plays out in the clips you're providing.
This is not an auto-animation. This is a poke check and/or DSS being initiated at the exact time you are about to make contact/intercept the puck.
@Jammalammalam wrote:@PernellKarl027You don't need more than 2 seconds to realize what's happening.
So yeah, PK, if you need longer clips to see what the issue is here, how're you going to help me or any other person that's concerned with the defensive side of the game?
The only clip that I commented on was the clip that was along the board, and said it was a bad play on the attacking front and on the D side. I’m not here to defend the game mechanics offense vs defense. I believe that the speed and animations and the slider setup ONLINE is ridiculous to start with. So that plays a big part as to where hockey plays like these don’t and never will feel right.
It all brings me back to threads and posts I made about making the game play like REAL HOCKEY first and foremost and all the rest will fall into place. Online hockey will be in a HAPPY place and it would take REAL hockey plays for your team to win, instead of only looking for Metas, glitches and whatnot…
And that would also bring me online looking to play with you guys 😉
@PernellKarl027 wrote: Online hockey will be in a HAPPY place and it would take REAL hockey plays for your team to win, instead of only looking for Metas, glitches and whatnot…
Outside of HUT and a few animation bugs, online hockey is in a good place. I use real defensive / offensive tactics all the time and find successes here and there. I also fail a lot. I get in a mood and rush players, I go for big hits when I shouldn't, I get caught mashing poke check while chasing players.. and they use real hockey plays like passing, dumping, using their agility versus my player bursting with speed to burn me.
Do I see top-ranked players trying the same move (get to the slot and shoot top corner)? Yup.
Do I adjust my defensive to collapse and protect the net? Yup.
Does it work when I'm not chasing the puck carrier and frantically swapping control of players and pulling them out of position? Mostly, yup.
Do I blame EA and claim they don't test their game, don't know hockey, don't put any effort, etc when I get an outcome I don't necessarily agree with? No. That's for the players who demand they be dominant within mere weeks of the release and lay the failure and lack of said dominance at the feet of a company just trying to make a fun hockey game for a spectrum of consumers that is vast and always changing. ( i get that offline guys have a whole slew of other complaints, but I'm not an offline guy and these comments are directed at online players)
You watch any streamer.. like go right now to twitch.tv and search NHL 24. Watch a streamer for 10-15 minutes. I guarantee you that when they get scored on at any point, they will say something to the effect of "COME ON EA MAKE A REAL HOCKEY GAME" or "What a trash game that's ridiculous, EA test your game"... etc etc.
Sure, there may be times when something odd happens that can be attributed to a development glitch but more often than not, it's a defensive failure and an unwillingness to admit they got caught, lapsed, and gave up a good chance.
@KidShowtime1867here comes this year's target audience! 🤔
In what world would that be a perfect reception in real life?
@couture2fat2fly wrote:@KidShowtime1867here comes this year's target audience! 🤔
In what world would that be a perfect reception in real life?
This one?
It wasn't perfect. Had Yellow not been hitting poke check, they may have actually intercept this pass.
The reception itself was the collection of a loose puck caused by an interaction between the puck and the defender (yellow), but because yellow was hitting poke check/DSS, they did not enter the pickup animation, and the puck made its way through.
In this frame, you can see the #8 has body position (their stick is in front of #29):
This is proven by the fact they actually obtain possession of the puck first: (take note of the darker grey, indicating puck possession)
The puck is then dislodged by the initiation of poke/dss. We all know that for some reason, player skates become more obstructive to puck movement when DSS/poke is engaged:
Because DSS/Poke is engaged, the puck continues its travel through the legs and behind #29
Then, #8 CORRECTLY obtains the puck as #29 is engaged in poke/DSS and activelt skating AWAY from the puck:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@PernellKarl027 wrote: Online hockey will be in a HAPPY place and it would take REAL hockey plays for your team to win, instead of only looking for Metas, glitches and whatnot…Outside of HUT and a few animation bugs, online hockey is in a good place.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you here… Just the pace, speed, animations of the game is all out of whack. Not talking about all the other nonsense… That’s in a good place for you ?
"Online hockey is in a good place..." LMAO. End of this convo.
@PernellKarl027 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@PernellKarl027 wrote: Online hockey will be in a HAPPY place and it would take REAL hockey plays for your team to win, instead of only looking for Metas, glitches and whatnot…Outside of HUT and a few animation bugs, online hockey is in a good place.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you here… Just the pace, speed, animations of the game is all out of whack. Not talking about all the other nonsense… That’s in a good place for you ?
We all know hip checks are OP. This isn't news to anyone. I've stated before they need fixing.
@Jammalammalam wrote:"Online hockey is in a good place..." LMAO. End of this convo.
Never said it was perfect my dude. I understand a videogame cannot replicate real life. I'm not bitter towards developers for my lack of grasping mechanics and working with them in the state they're in to improve may chances of getting ideal outcomes.
@Jammalammalam wrote:Quick question though, is being aggressive with a player coming right at you with a single "blind poke check" (because, you know, people create their builds around the poke) the new "poke spam"?
Blind poke checks are an issue , don't get me wrong. I'm not a huge fan of less-than-skilled players being able to mash poke check and get the outcome they want when they've been burned already. That said, I think the rate at which this happens successfully is overstated.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@couture2fat2fly wrote:
@JammalammalamKeep in mind that the biggest challenges for bad players have always been to not skate into people and lose the puck and to find the open passes.
This year the game was made to suit and reward their style so of course there are going to be a bunch of happy players. By and large however, the competitive community is pretty sick with the current gameplay.
https://youtu.be/8ntB4R9Zq78?si=ZI-Iy0IbjVAuWo38
https://youtu.be/GZtN4eMBNnk?si=qopZ3S_qBPTVwCBz
https://youtu.be/1VFQzkzoAfc?si=DFzjoDPM8VXRITEf
https://youtu.be/lSY2a9ftv0w?si=NZY8htI6MbnMaq3Bonce again, you skate directly at the puck carrier hitting poke check and you get caught
Here is you should defend that:
In this video, teal should've used body check. Instead, hits DSS, decides not to and then mashes poke check again.
what's funny about this is that if teal ended up with the puck here after mashing and blindly poke checking, you'd likely have no issue with how it turned out.
1st clip and the one you showed of how I should've played are exactly the same. The only difference is I'm playing someone who knows the game is broken so he just skates right at me with 94 speed instead of what you faced which is more realistic. My poke check is well timed but the puck gets knocked behind me somehow. Broken.
2nd clip you're trolling. There's absolutely no way you don't realize how ridiculous it is that the forward just kept skating through a solid defender, even changing direction through him, and retained full control. Simply being there should have been enough to knock the puck loose, but the defender also poked when it made sense without any result. All the forward had to do was press up on the left stick. LOL
Then this one same thing happens. Forward turning and skating through me, gets rewarded.
https://youtu.be/GZtN4eMBNnk?si=qPIclIFH17QHEHuE
You trying to rationalize these plays just screams noob. Like I said, you're obviously the target audience this year: a terrible player who already skated into people and forced bad passes. You're happy you can finally get rewarded for being bad at the game without having to actually understand how to really play hockey (i.e. protect the puck and make good passes) and you hope it stays like this, end of the story. Stick to offline and 3s eliminator.
@couture2fat2fly wrote:1st clip and the one you showed of how I should've played are exactly the same.
Not at all.
You skate at the puck carrier and anticipate you'll get possession before you do.
I back up and force the puck carrier to make a move, ensure I get possession and then move.
@couture2fat2fly wrote:2nd clip you're trolling. There's absolutely no way you don't realize how ridiculous it is that the forward just kept skating through a solid defender, even changing direction through him, and retained full control. Simply being there should have been enough to knock the puck loose, but the defender also poked when it made sense without any result. All the forward had to do was press up on the left stick. LOL
He did not retain full control through the entire sequence. The defensive player is out of position. It's an unfortunate outcome for the defender, but the defender is not utilizing body check AT ALL in a situation where it should've been used:
Instead, they expect to gain possession by way of "simply being there" and that's just not how real hockey works.
@couture2fat2fly wrote:You trying to rationalize these plays just screams noob. Like I said, you're obviously the target audience this year: a terrible player who already skated into people and forced bad passes. You're happy you can finally get rewarded for being bad at the game without having to actually understand how to really play hockey (i.e. protect the puck and make good passes) and you hope it stays like this, end of the story. Stick to offline and 3s eliminator.
I'm just trying to have a constructive discussion about what you think is wrong with this game, and you have decided to attack me. Call me a noob and tell me I'm a terrible player. I'm the furthest thing from a noob you've ever seen my friend. I'd love to play you in an OVP match to prove that to you, but for some reason I doubt that will happen.
We're done here 😉
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@couture2fat2fly wrote:2nd clip you're trolling. There's absolutely no way you don't realize how ridiculous it is that the forward just kept skating through a solid defender, even changing direction through him, and retained full control. Simply being there should have been enough to knock the puck loose, but the defender also poked when it made sense without any result. All the forward had to do was press up on the left stick. LOL
He did not retain full control through the entire sequence. The defensive player is out of position. It's an unfortunate outcome for the defender, but the defender is not utilizing body check AT ALL in a situation where it should've been used:
Instead, they expect to gain possession by way of "simply being there" and that's just not how real hockey works.
@couture2fat2fly wrote:You trying to rationalize these plays just screams noob. Like I said, you're obviously the target audience this year: a terrible player who already skated into people and forced bad passes. You're happy you can finally get rewarded for being bad at the game without having to actually understand how to really play hockey (i.e. protect the puck and make good passes) and you hope it stays like this, end of the story. Stick to offline and 3s eliminator.
I'm just trying to have a constructive discussion about what you think is wrong with this game, and you have decided to attack me. Call me a noob and tell me I'm a terrible player.
We're done here 😉
He's in perfect position. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about or you just hope they keep the game this easy. Terrible either way.
@couture2fat2fly wrote:
@KidShowtime1867I don't anticipate nothing. Pokechecking slowed me down buddy.
Do you even play 6v6? I'll play you any mode you want bud. 1s eliminator if that's your thing. PSN couture2fat2fly
Sorry bro, wrong console. Too bad. Anyway, I'm done with this. Not going to listen to any more personal attacks when I'm just trying to help people by giving some insight into how these things play out.
Cheers!
