Isn't it kind of insulting to the NHL and the sport of hockey

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:

1st clip and the one you showed of how I should've played are exactly the same.

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Not at all. 

You skate at the puck carrier and anticipate you'll get possession before you do.

I back up and force the puck carrier to make a move, ensure I get possession and then move. 

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:

2nd clip you're trolling. There's absolutely no way you don't realize how ridiculous it is that the forward just kept skating through a solid defender, even changing direction through him, and retained full control. Simply being there should have been enough to knock the puck loose, but the defender also poked when it made sense without any result. All the forward had to do was press up on the left stick. LOL

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He did not retain full control through the entire sequence. The defensive player is out of position. It's an unfortunate outcome for the defender, but the defender is not utilizing body check AT ALL in a situation where it should've been used:

Instead, they expect to gain possession by way of "simply being there" and that's just not how real hockey works. 

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:

You trying to rationalize these plays just screams noob. Like I said, you're obviously the target audience this year: a terrible player who already skated into people and forced bad passes. You're happy you can finally get rewarded for being bad at the game without having to actually understand how to really play hockey (i.e. protect the puck and make good passes) and you hope it stays like this, end of the story. Stick to offline and 3s eliminator. 

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I'm just trying to have a constructive discussion about what you think is wrong with this game, and you have decided to attack me. Call me a noob and tell me I'm a terrible player. I'm the furthest thing from a noob you've ever seen my friend. I'd love to play you in an OVP match to prove that to you, but for some reason I doubt that will happen. 

We're done here 😉 

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:

2nd clip you're trolling. There's absolutely no way you don't realize how ridiculous it is that the forward just kept skating through a solid defender, even changing direction through him, and retained full control. Simply being there should have been enough to knock the puck loose, but the defender also poked when it made sense without any result. All the forward had to do was press up on the left stick. LOL

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He did not retain full control through the entire sequence. The defensive player is out of position. It's an unfortunate outcome for the defender, but the defender is not utilizing body check AT ALL in a situation where it should've been used:

Instead, they expect to gain possession by way of "simply being there" and that's just not how real hockey works. 

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:

You trying to rationalize these plays just screams noob. Like I said, you're obviously the target audience this year: a terrible player who already skated into people and forced bad passes. You're happy you can finally get rewarded for being bad at the game without having to actually understand how to really play hockey (i.e. protect the puck and make good passes) and you hope it stays like this, end of the story. Stick to offline and 3s eliminator. 

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I'm just trying to have a constructive discussion about what you think is wrong with this game, and you have decided to attack me. Call me a noob and tell me I'm a terrible player. 

We're done here 😉 

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He's in perfect position. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about or you just hope they keep the game this easy. Terrible either way.

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:
@KidShowtime1867I don't anticipate nothing. Pokechecking slowed me down buddy.

Do you even play 6v6? I'll play you any mode you want bud. 1s eliminator if that's your thing. PSN couture2fat2fly

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Sorry bro, wrong console. Too bad. Anyway, I'm done with this. Not going to listen to any more personal attacks when I'm just trying to help people by giving some insight into how these things play out. 

Cheers!

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@couture2fat2fly wrote: You clearly have no idea what you're talking about or you just hope they keep the game this easy. Terrible either way.

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Stop attacking me.

Hey, everyone. Just a quick reminder. We all need to be respectful about differing opinions. It's fine to disagree, but lets watch the personal attacks. 

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:
@KidShowtime1867You're trying to rationalize bugs by scrutinizing in slow motion and analyzing the pixels then half the time you make assumptions on what was pressed which are totally wrong. You obviously want to retain your ability to skate through defenders which I assume is the way you play, which is not how elite players do it.

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No, I proved in my gifs what happened and why things played out the way they did.

I don't need to 'assume' you hit poke check when the gif shows the poke check animation happening. There's only one way to make that happen - by pushing the button.

I don't need to 'retain' anything. My opinion has just as much weight with developers as yours does, so it's not like I'm here trying to stagnate the game in my favor. 

I do think there needs to be more incidental contact though. I can literally skate in a straight line on the blue line or through traffic around the net or force passes through traffic on the offensive side. 

also, I feel like the stick to puck or stick to stick contact is very poor. There should be more ways to tie players up, tie up their stick, take the puck, etc. 

right now it’s very Forgiving to the player with the puck and you don’t really have to do anything to retain possession it seems like. I played some offense and I was amazed at how many times I should’ve lost the puck but kept it. 

Also here's some examples with an 83 hitting build with lockdown perk on hitting: 

https://youtu.be/9s2visQ0qOA?si=gQpCIPZ_0j1vNIyn

https://youtu.be/SzFxCyX7_0M?si=sEjIVCIaVHUSKHxt

In those situations that kidshowtime wants others to hit, this is the result a lot of times.

So it's very easy to understand why people go for pokes here. Leaves you far less vulnerable and are able to recover if the mechanic doesn't work like shown here.

Edit: also I'm eagerly waiting for people to say use the shove animation here. 

@TheUnusedCrayonGood on you for using hitting in your build. My D partner uses a DD and still rarely hits. I don't ever hit unless I'm shoving people in the crease with Big Tipper. We both use gold Stick 'Em Up and still pokes are absolutely one of the worst defensive mechanics in the game. Also, good on you for using regular hitting and not Hip-Checking all over the ice. Again, I know exactly what you're talking about when you make a good play on the puck and player and STILL come out on the losing end of the battle time and time again.

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@Jammalammalam wrote:

@TheUnusedCrayonGood on you for using hitting in your build. My D partner uses a DD and still rarely hits. I don't ever hit unless I'm shoving people in the crease with Big Tipper. We both use gold Stick 'Em Up and still pokes are absolutely one of the worst defensive mechanics in the game. Also, good on you for using regular hitting and not Hip-Checking all over the ice. Again, I know exactly what you're talking about when you make a good play on the puck and player and STILL come out on the losing end of the battle time and time again.

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Oh I rarely hit lol. The only time I do is when I can afford to miss and it's 1 on 2. The hitting mechanics I find only work consistently north/south. It's just as awful as the pokecheck. You shouldn't need to hit somebody in the chest to get a consistent animation.

I abuse the hell out of hip checks because that's what you need to do in competitive play and thus far they've done nothing about it.

The hip check is sadly the only consistent tool defenders have lmao. 

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@Jammalammalam wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayonLOL. Double sad is that I'm using Skill Stick and not Total Control, controls. So it takes two button presses instead of one to use it, so I have just made a built that leans heavily towards stick checking and still struggle with the one-sided mechanics.

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I'd love to use skill stick because I can't stand accidentally clicking R3 but I need the hip check. 

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@Jammalammalam wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayonAccidently hitting that button is a travesty and the reason why I use skill stick controls. I'm not sure what EA did to make that button so sensitive because in 23, even with the puck, I wasn't accidently hitting that button to fake a shot. The sensitivity is wrong or something.

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Same over here. Never had an issue any other year. This year I do it every few games when trying to hold forehand to make a pass through a seem. 

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@Jammalammalam wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayonKind of curious to see what build you're using.

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95% of the time I use a puck moving dman.

5% sniper if I'm getting angry with the fact I'm getting robbed ten times in 1 game.

Always have high def awareness, puck control, skating and deking. Typically sacrifice an amazing shot and have mediocre passing. I experiment between having extremely high stick checking vs not and I don't notice hardly any difference at all except for using dss. 

@TheUnusedCrayonI got you. I'm usually TWD the majority of the time. I haven't reached P1 so I don't have one of the perks I usually use, which is silver Elite Edges. Already have silver Shutdown. I also don't have the two speed mini-perks that should get my speed to 93. I had Truck on my build last year, but it's missing this year (or will be added later). I'm high stick checking. High agility (For the twirl raggers at the dots). High Speed. 90+ Def Rating with a high 80's Pass.

It still boggles my mind. Gold Stick Em Up, 90+ Def and Stick-Checking w/ Silver Shutdown for 1 on 1 situations, and I can barely poke. DSS is a toss-up in effectiveness, but I use it to "try" and funnel players away from the center of the ice.

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@Jammalammalam wrote:

@TheUnusedCrayonI got you. I'm usually TWD the majority of the time. I haven't reached P1 so I don't have one of the perks I usually use, which is silver Elite Edges. Already have silver Shutdown. I also don't have the two speed mini-perks that should get my speed to 93. I had Truck on my build last year, but it's missing this year (or will be added later). I'm high stick checking. High agility (For the twirl raggers at the dots). High Speed. 90+ Def Rating with a high 80's Pass.

It still boggles my mind. Gold Stick Em Up, 90+ Def and Stick-Checking w/ Silver Shutdown for 1 on 1 situations, and I can barely poke. DSS is a toss-up in effectiveness, but I use it to "try" and funnel players away from the center of the ice.

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Good god ! All of bolded in this post makes me cringe so much that we are talking about a hockey game 😳😒

Looking at the last few pages of discussion in this thread, makes me even more NOT WANTING to ever, ever play online… They made these mode like a RPG or something ? GOLD STICKem UP, SILVER SHUTDOWN, what’s next SMELLING SALTS wonder ? Why can’t you just use a "standard" team, with "standard" players to play a freakin hockey game ???

So many things wrong with all of this, for me it’s really, really SAD 😫

It goes so well with the title of this thread tho…. 

Isn't it kind of insulting to the NHL and the sport of hockey

@Jammalammalam This post is not directed towards you in any way 😉

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@KlariskraysNHL wrote:
@PernellKarl027I have kept this saved forever. And yes EASHL is like an RPG league of creating and being a superstar.

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@KlariskraysNHL 

I get the concept of playing for yourself and for your name, instead of playing with an NHL guy. But why can’t you become a star in the league, dictated by your play, by your stats and this over time builds up your attributes like in BAP mode ? Can I be recognized in that EASHL league without having to grind for GOLDEN TRUCULENCE PANTS or SILVER SLAP'EM GOOD HOCKEY STICK ?

On top of them adding that goal CELLY, pressure icons and system on the ice and whatnot. Can I play a real good hockey game in its purest form ? Why can’t EA spend their time and focus on things that matters the most first and foremost ?

It's all these Fortnite business model elements in a hockey game that drives a guy like me bonkers !!!