@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote: there should be way more dump ins than Michigan attempts in typical game of video game hockey, regardless of how "sim" you want it to be, and that is not the case with NHL 24. Unbelievable.So you want to artificially force players to dump the puck when they don't want to? If my opponent refuses to engage me through the neutral zone, you're suggesting EA should introduce some type of artificial mechanic that forces me to play dump and chase, just to satisfy this 'need' to have the game be completely 'sim'? When in actuality, I can just walk into their D-Zone and maintain puck pussession.. like why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
Would you say the same if the example was "should players be forced to pass if the game doesn't require them to because then it's more 'sim'?"
Players shouldn't be forced to do anything. The freeodm that this game allows is what makes it fun. People like to claim the offensive freedom trumps defensive skill, but that's not the case at all. I think people just hate defending and their hatred for it makes it seem like it's 'harder' than offense.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote: there should be way more dump ins than Michigan attempts in typical game of video game hockey, regardless of how "sim" you want it to be, and that is not the case with NHL 24. Unbelievable.So you want to artificially force players to dump the puck when they don't want to? If my opponent refuses to engage me through the neutral zone, you're suggesting EA should introduce some type of artificial mechanic that forces me to play dump and chase, just to satisfy this 'need' to have the game be completely 'sim'? When in actuality, I can just walk into their D-Zone and maintain puck pussession.. like why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
Would you say the same if the example was "should players be forced to pass if the game doesn't require them to because then it's more 'sim'?"
Players shouldn't be forced to do anything. The freeodm that this game allows is what makes it fun. People like to claim the offensive freedom trumps defensive skill, but that's not the case at all. I think people just hate defending and their hatred for it makes it seem like it's 'harder' than offense.
I find this a super odd take but you're entitled to your opinion.
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote: there should be way more dump ins than Michigan attempts in typical game of video game hockey, regardless of how "sim" you want it to be, and that is not the case with NHL 24. Unbelievable.So you want to artificially force players to dump the puck when they don't want to? If my opponent refuses to engage me through the neutral zone, you're suggesting EA should introduce some type of artificial mechanic that forces me to play dump and chase, just to satisfy this 'need' to have the game be completely 'sim'? When in actuality, I can just walk into their D-Zone and maintain puck pussession.. like why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
Would you say the same if the example was "should players be forced to pass if the game doesn't require them to because then it's more 'sim'?"
Players shouldn't be forced to do anything. The freeodm that this game allows is what makes it fun. People like to claim the offensive freedom trumps defensive skill, but that's not the case at all. I think people just hate defending and their hatred for it makes it seem like it's 'harder' than offense.
I find this a super odd take but you're entitled to your opinion.
The only odd take here is that EA is at fault for players not playing sim-style hockey in a videogame.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote: there should be way more dump ins than Michigan attempts in typical game of video game hockey, regardless of how "sim" you want it to be, and that is not the case with NHL 24. Unbelievable.So you want to artificially force players to dump the puck when they don't want to? If my opponent refuses to engage me through the neutral zone, you're suggesting EA should introduce some type of artificial mechanic that forces me to play dump and chase, just to satisfy this 'need' to have the game be completely 'sim'? When in actuality, I can just walk into their D-Zone and maintain puck pussession.. like why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
Would you say the same if the example was "should players be forced to pass if the game doesn't require them to because then it's more 'sim'?"
Players shouldn't be forced to do anything. The freeodm that this game allows is what makes it fun. People like to claim the offensive freedom trumps defensive skill, but that's not the case at all. I think people just hate defending and their hatred for it makes it seem like it's 'harder' than offense.
I find this a super odd take but you're entitled to your opinion.
The only odd take here is that EA is at fault for players not playing sim-style hockey in a videogame.
This is ridiculous. People will do anything they can to win in an online game, you and I both know that. To expect the "honor system" to be the reason people play sim hockey online is insane. A few years ago people flipped the puck over the glass for minutes on end to result in a desync to avoid a loss. Do you think these people will pressure at the blueline or clear the puck on the PK because if it is realistic, even if it puts them at a disadvantage? It is up to the game mechanics to reward certain things and punish others.
@Jagavekov wrote:This is ridiculous. People will do anything they can to win in an online game, you and I both know that. To expect the "honor system" to be the reason people play sim hockey online is insane.
Why are you making up things I'm saying and then saying those made-up things are insane? I never once said "I expect this game to have an honor system"
I said that if you want ANY sports game EVER made to play EXACTLY like the real world sport, you need BOTH parties to commit to playing a 'sim' style. Denying this fact while being completely absorbed in online play is what I could call "insane".
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
Players shouldn't be forced to do anything. The freeodm [SIC] that this game allows is what makes it fun. People like to claim the offensive freedom trumps defensive skill, but that's not the case at all. I think people just hate defending and their hatred for it makes it seem like it's 'harder' than offense.
I find this a super odd take but you're entitled to your opinion.
Ya. That IS kind of an odd take. It might make more sense in the context of like Online VS or something but not in 6s I dont think? Regardless, if people do indeed "hate defense" why would that be exactly?
I would posit that the reason is because the position isn't (or at least historically - since 18 or perhaps even 14 - overall HASN'T been) all that interesting, fun or rewarding. Same with goaltending. Look, I love the challenge of playing D in this game but it is rarely fun or rewarding most days when you see what you are up against. I would say its a possibly a little better this year than the last couple. Part of the issue is that while we can analyze/critique plays until the cows come home, most of the time real world analyses don't apply cause the game mostly just doesn't really play out like it does IRL.
btw apologies for replying to posts a week+ old - been on an extended hiatus from this place and just catching up
@IceLion68 wrote:Regardless, if people do indeed "hate defense" why would that be exactly?
Mistakes on defense are amplified due to the importance of the position. Playing defence means taking ownership and responsibility, something that many people here don't like. One thing I've learned is the majority of people think they play this game perfectly, and when something bad happens to them, it's NEVER "oh maybe I shouldn't have poke checked here" -- it's always "the poke check is broken"
I am also guilty of this. There are times that I get mad while playing and think "man what the eff is going on here" only to see my captures after and recognize the mistakes I made that led to the thing that made me 'mad'.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@IceLion68 wrote:Regardless, if people do indeed "hate defense" why would that be exactly?
Mistakes on defense are amplified due to the importance of the position. Playing defence means taking ownership and responsibility, something that many people here don't like. One thing I've learned is the majority of people think they play this game perfectly, and when something bad happens to them, it's NEVER "oh maybe I shouldn't have poke checked here" -- it's always "the poke check is broken"
I am also guilty of this. There are times that I get mad while playing and think "man what the eff is going on here" only to see my captures after and recognize the mistakes I made that led to the thing that made me 'mad'.
people don't like that theyre held accountable for the AI's interpretation of positiong which 9/10 times does not align with real life positiong. People make a "hockey paly" on defense and punished for "bad" positioning because AI aren't programmed to play hockey. They're programmed to stand still in zones and prioritize zones over people. Thats not hockey.
So actaully, "hockey plays" are amplified in this game by outrageous agility, speed, accelrations, passing & shooting levels, and the AI's incorrect intepretation of position.
So yeah, I "hate" 1v1 defense. its super boring. its passive, you cant rely on your AI to do simple man-marking, therefore it feels nothing even remotely close to hockey. that why most people dont find it fun. its neither realsitc, engaging, or satisfying.
