@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote: there should be way more dump ins than Michigan attempts in typical game of video game hockey, regardless of how "sim" you want it to be, and that is not the case with NHL 24. Unbelievable.So you want to artificially force players to dump the puck when they don't want to? If my opponent refuses to engage me through the neutral zone, you're suggesting EA should introduce some type of artificial mechanic that forces me to play dump and chase, just to satisfy this 'need' to have the game be completely 'sim'? When in actuality, I can just walk into their D-Zone and maintain puck pussession.. like why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
Would you say the same if the example was "should players be forced to pass if the game doesn't require them to because then it's more 'sim'?"
Players shouldn't be forced to do anything. The freeodm that this game allows is what makes it fun. People like to claim the offensive freedom trumps defensive skill, but that's not the case at all. I think people just hate defending and their hatred for it makes it seem like it's 'harder' than offense.
I find this a super odd take but you're entitled to your opinion.
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote: there should be way more dump ins than Michigan attempts in typical game of video game hockey, regardless of how "sim" you want it to be, and that is not the case with NHL 24. Unbelievable.So you want to artificially force players to dump the puck when they don't want to? If my opponent refuses to engage me through the neutral zone, you're suggesting EA should introduce some type of artificial mechanic that forces me to play dump and chase, just to satisfy this 'need' to have the game be completely 'sim'? When in actuality, I can just walk into their D-Zone and maintain puck pussession.. like why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
Would you say the same if the example was "should players be forced to pass if the game doesn't require them to because then it's more 'sim'?"
Players shouldn't be forced to do anything. The freeodm that this game allows is what makes it fun. People like to claim the offensive freedom trumps defensive skill, but that's not the case at all. I think people just hate defending and their hatred for it makes it seem like it's 'harder' than offense.
I find this a super odd take but you're entitled to your opinion.
The only odd take here is that EA is at fault for players not playing sim-style hockey in a videogame.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote: there should be way more dump ins than Michigan attempts in typical game of video game hockey, regardless of how "sim" you want it to be, and that is not the case with NHL 24. Unbelievable.So you want to artificially force players to dump the puck when they don't want to? If my opponent refuses to engage me through the neutral zone, you're suggesting EA should introduce some type of artificial mechanic that forces me to play dump and chase, just to satisfy this 'need' to have the game be completely 'sim'? When in actuality, I can just walk into their D-Zone and maintain puck pussession.. like why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
Would you say the same if the example was "should players be forced to pass if the game doesn't require them to because then it's more 'sim'?"
Players shouldn't be forced to do anything. The freeodm that this game allows is what makes it fun. People like to claim the offensive freedom trumps defensive skill, but that's not the case at all. I think people just hate defending and their hatred for it makes it seem like it's 'harder' than offense.
I find this a super odd take but you're entitled to your opinion.
The only odd take here is that EA is at fault for players not playing sim-style hockey in a videogame.
This is ridiculous. People will do anything they can to win in an online game, you and I both know that. To expect the "honor system" to be the reason people play sim hockey online is insane. A few years ago people flipped the puck over the glass for minutes on end to result in a desync to avoid a loss. Do you think these people will pressure at the blueline or clear the puck on the PK because if it is realistic, even if it puts them at a disadvantage? It is up to the game mechanics to reward certain things and punish others.
@Jagavekov wrote:This is ridiculous. People will do anything they can to win in an online game, you and I both know that. To expect the "honor system" to be the reason people play sim hockey online is insane.
Why are you making up things I'm saying and then saying those made-up things are insane? I never once said "I expect this game to have an honor system"
I said that if you want ANY sports game EVER made to play EXACTLY like the real world sport, you need BOTH parties to commit to playing a 'sim' style. Denying this fact while being completely absorbed in online play is what I could call "insane".
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote:This is ridiculous. People will do anything they can to win in an online game, you and I both know that. To expect the "honor system" to be the reason people play sim hockey online is insane.
Why are you making up things I'm saying and then saying those made-up things are insane? I never once said "I expect this game to have an honor system"
I said that if you want ANY sports game EVER made to play EXACTLY like the real world sport, you need BOTH parties to commit to playing a 'sim' style. Denying this fact while being completely absorbed in online play is what I could call "insane".
That is exactly what you are saying. You are saying the people playing the game need to play sim, regardless of whether or not that is incentivized. That means you think it is up to the people playing the game to make it sim, not for the developers to do that. That is the honor system.
You think it should be this:
"I should ice the puck on the PK because it is sim, even though I could easily go end-to-end and get a scoring chance and increase my chances of winning"
I think it should be this:
"I should ice the puck on the PK because if I don't I will likely make a turnover which will result in the power play getting more zone time and possibly more scoring chances, which would decrease my chances of winning"
