@PernellKarl027 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@PernellKarl027 wrote:The team on D is not pressuring you enough at the blue, so you can do whatever you want entering the zone like it’s a open buffet and also do the ballerina once in the zone.Again...
@KidShowtime1867 wrote: why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
@PernellKarl027 wrote:So that’s what @Jagavekov was referring to when he said that it’s not normal that there’s more Michigans attempts then dump and chase in EAs hockey.
So what do you propose EA do to force players to dump and chase just because it's 'sim'?
Again, it’s not forcing EA to do anything to make it artificial… It’s supposed to be there by default. Organically… If the game played more like the REAL game, you would have to dump once in awhile, because sometimes you don’t have any other choice.
Its not FORCING them to dump just for the heck of it.
the game DOES play like the REAL game but it requires both players to commit to playing a sim style. When it comes to online competition, everything is fair game and expecting every single scenario to play out EXACTLY like it does in real life is completely unrealistic.
You will NEVER EVER see 100% realistic 1:1 simulation of ANY sport on ANY console made by ANY developer. I don't understand why some of you hold the EA to this completely unattainable standard.
And before anyone comes in here saying that I'm "saying the game is perfect" - kick rocks. I've got plenty of issues with this game that I've pointed out a number of times. If I didn't give this clip the Zapruder treatment, it would've been glossed over as a 'one touch pass'.
However, when it comes to this constant drumbeat of "EA doesn't know hockey" it baffles me that some of you actually believe this. It's also baffling that I can literally right now fire up an OVP game and execute real-world hockey plays and find success, and some will continue to say doing that is literally impossible. I can also make mistakes defensively and allow a player to score 'the same goal' due to my unwillingness or obliviousness to the tactic used to score it. That's my fault. Not the game. More people would find more joy with this game if they admitted to and learned from their defensive lapses rather than constantly make claims about the Hockey Intelligence of the people who develop it.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@PernellKarl027 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@PernellKarl027 wrote:The team on D is not pressuring you enough at the blue, so you can do whatever you want entering the zone like it’s a open buffet and also do the ballerina once in the zone.Again...
@KidShowtime1867 wrote: why in the world would I want to dump the puck when 80% of the user-base plays defense in such a way that allows me free reign into their zone?
@PernellKarl027 wrote:So that’s what @Jagavekov was referring to when he said that it’s not normal that there’s more Michigans attempts then dump and chase in EAs hockey.
So what do you propose EA do to force players to dump and chase just because it's 'sim'?
Again, it’s not forcing EA to do anything to make it artificial… It’s supposed to be there by default. Organically… If the game played more like the REAL game, you would have to dump once in awhile, because sometimes you don’t have any other choice.
Its not FORCING them to dump just for the heck of it.
the game DOES play like the REAL game but it requires both players to commit to playing a sim style. When it comes to online competition, everything is fair game and expecting every single scenario to play out EXACTLY like it does in real life is completely unrealistic.
You will NEVER EVER see 100% realistic 1:1 simulation of ANY sport on ANY console made by ANY developer. I don't understand why some of you hold the EA to this completely unattainable standard.
And before anyone comes in here saying that I'm "saying the game is perfect" - kick rocks. I've got plenty of issues with this game that I've pointed out a number of times. However, when it comes to this constant drumbeat of "EA doesn't know hockey" it baffles me that some of you actually believe this. It's also baffling that I can literally right now fire up an OVP game and execute real-world hockey plays and find success. I can also make mistakes defensively and allow a player to score 'the same goal' due to my unwillingness or obliviousness to the tactic used to score it. That's my fault. Not the game. More people would find more joy with this game if they admitted to and learned from their defensive lapses rather than constantly make claims about the Hockey Intelligence of the people who develop it.
Man you go in 25 different directions here… When did I say half the things you said in your last reply ? I’ve never said EA doesn’t know Hockey ? Or the devs working on the game….
The most flawed logic in all of this, is that when I buy a hockey game, I would expect for it to play like one. As close as it can to the real sport. What’s wrong with that ?
EA tries to cater to the casuals first and foremost and that’s where they go wrong IMO. Build your hardcore fan base and make them happy and the rest will follow along. Who will still play this game in February and buy packs ? Casuals or hardcore people ?
When I use "EA", I’m talking about corporate…. Not the DEVS that are working on the game…
And when you say that the GAME plays like the REAL game, I suggest you watch more hockey games. No offense…
@PernellKarl027 wrote:Man you go in 25 different directions here… When did I say half the things you said in your last reply ? I’ve never said EA doesn’t know Hockey ? Or the devs working on the game….
Relax. Not directed at you specifically.
@PernellKarl027 wrote:The most flawed logic in all of this, is that when I buy a hockey game, I would expect for it to play like one. As close as it can to the real sport. What’s wrong with that ?
it does hahah. If this game "doesn't play like hockey" to you - then you need to address what you expect hockey to be like when it comes to a videogame.
@PernellKarl027 wrote:EA tries to cater to the casuals first and foremost and that’s where they go wrong IMO. Build your hardcore fan base and make them happy and the rest will follow along. Who will still play this game in February and buy packs ? Casuals or hardcore people ?
If by "cater to the casuals" you mean market the game to new players, congratulations - you've figured out the entire goal of releasing a videogame. As someone who has played this game for 30 years - I can assure you that the claims that 'nobody will play this game in February' are made every single year, and yet every single year I have no problems finding online competition right through to the next release.
@PernellKarl027 wrote:you say that the GAME plays like the REAL game
When I say that, I mean it plays like a real game considering it's a VIDEOGAME. Some of you expect these games to be 1:1 simulations and when they don't reach that level (and no game developer has ever yet achieved this) you get all mad and claim the entire thing is garbage and terrible and anyone who enjoys it needs to "watch more hockey"....
@PernellKarl027 wrote: I suggest you watch more hockey games. No offense…
lol
Im relaxed buddy, don’t worry 😉
Its just when you highlight what I said and you respond to me especially, I’m pretty sure it was directed at least in part towards me.
At the end of the day, you are satisfied with the game you have been playing online for the past 30 years and I’m clearly not. No need to argue about this.
And if you see my posts around here, you would know what I want in a hockey game. You would have probably seen what I’ve done for 23 to make it play like I want… OFFLINE…. For once in my life, I would like to enjoy this setup ONLINE with my friends and bros. But that day will never happen I guess 😐
@PernellKarl027 wrote:Im relaxed buddy, don’t worry 😉
Its just when you highlight what I said and you respond to me especially, I’m pretty sure it was directed at least in part towards me.
At the end of the day, you are satisfied with the game you have been playing online for the past 30 years and I’m clearly not. No need to argue about this.
And if you see my posts around here, you would know what I want in a hockey game. You would have probably seen what I’ve done for 23 to make it play like I want… OFFLINE…. For once in my life, I would like to enjoy this setup ONLINE with my friends and bros. But that day will never happen I guess 😐
I think we both agree on that haha. We just want a bloody good hockey game we can play with our friends.
We need GM Connected, with custom sliders. EA would instantly satisfy a large number of users but instead we get a pressure system lmao
If by "cater to the casuals" you mean market the game to new players, congratulations - you've figured out the entire goal of releasing a videogame. As someone who has played this game for 30 years - I can assure you that the claims that 'nobody will play this game in February' are made every single year, and yet every single year I have no problems finding online competition right through to the next release.
The game will market itself to new players if it is good at replicating the sport. When it was winning sports game of the Year awards the population of people playing was at it's peak. They were constantly moving it towards hockey simulation every year. It kept the fans happy, people were genuinely in agreement the game was moving in a great direction, etc.
The Michigan isn't pulling in any new players. If anything it's hurting the amount of people playing the game. I don't go and play the baseball game and expect to hit home runs every single play. I don't go and play Madden and want to have the same play work every time. People don't play basketball and want to posterize every play.
People want the sport it replicates otherwise they'd gravitate to the arcade games that emulate the sport. And all of these sports gaming companies are trending the same direction: aiming towards microtransactions to supplement their lost revenue because they are losing their bases.
Every year this development team gets fed hundreds of great ideas and every time they use one of the good ones that simulate the sport (such as making the fans sound more authentic, improving the skating, making hitting more realistic, etc.) it's received well.
Every year they add one of their terrible ideas they conjured up themselves we end up with the messes we get and people complain about it endlessly. Nobody asked for tunnel of doom celebrations. Nobody wanted the Michigan to come into the game because they knew it'd turn out like this, etc.
It's as if a 5 year old is deciding what he thinks is cool about hockey and getting a staff full of adults to implement it for him.
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:When it was winning sports game of the Year awards the population of people playing was at it's peak. They were constantly moving it towards hockey simulation every year. It kept the fans happy, people were genuinely in agreement the game was moving in a great direction, etc.
The fans were happy, but the forums were the same exact thing you see today; constant complaints from users who were dissatisfied that EA's representation of hockey did not match their expectations.
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:The Michigan isn't pulling in any new players. If anything it's hurting the amount of people playing the game.
Doubtful. And I don't recall saying that The Michigan alone was "bringing in new customers". Although I would argue that the freedom and ease of which one can attempt a Michigan DOES give players a sense of creativity that could make them come back for more, the change to the meta by way of the pressure system (which I'm not a fan of) was also an attempt to grab some new players or players who haven't upgraded in a while.
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:People want the sport it replicates otherwise they'd gravitate to the arcade games that emulate the sport. And all of these sports gaming companies are trending the same direction: aiming towards microtransactions to supplement their lost revenue because they are losing their bases.
I agree - microtransactions have ruined the effort put forth by developers to create unique and engaging experiences but I would argue that the pressure system and the changes to the controls are EA's attempt at changing this. Like I said, I personally despise the pressure system, but I can appreciate the effort in trying to give the player-base something different.
Does anyone here recall the days of The Breakaway Camera?
This was during the PEAK of EA NHL being regarded as the best hockey simulation ever made and it was poorly received by the community, I can assure you.
But what it showed was that when you're making a yearly game based on a sport that doesn't really go through any cosmetic and systemic changes, the game is going to become stale. As a producer under the gun to generate more interest, you need to take some chances. The Pressure system is just another chance EA has taken, along with making dekes more accessible and revamping the control scheme.
I'm not the biggest fan of some of the changes but like I said - you have to respect that some effort is being taken. These aren't just checkboxes they tick off either. These 'features' - if you want to call them that - go through MONTHS of producing, debugging, patching, etc. It's a huge effort that is lost on 99% of the community who still think adding something to the game is just a simple copy-paste.
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:Every year they add one of their terrible ideas they conjured up themselves we end up with the messes we get and people complain about it endlessly. Nobody asked for tunnel of doom celebrations. Nobody wanted the Michigan to come into the game because they knew it'd turn out like this, etc.
Yes, they need to take these risks to avoid stagnation. Quality of life improvements aside, they need something to market.
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:It's as if a 5 year old is deciding what he thinks is cool about hockey and getting a staff full of adults to implement it for him.
Not in the slightest.
