If every player was human, sure you could argue it all comes down to bad decisions (for the most part anyway, playing human goalies is still mega unfun), but the moment you add any AI into the mix, the illusion of balance in thrown out the window.
They are able (and more than willing no matter what settings), to take stupid penalties and the goalies are even worse than 23 -- I may hate to lose but I can accept a loss of we had a good back and forth. My team is unfortunately closing in on 10 regulation losses and maybe 2 of those were good losses; everything else was a hot mess of AI doing literally nothing or purposely just giving the other team the puck and the goalie just letting in total boners from way too far away. The own-goal mechanic they must have added has just got to go: every player should insrinctively try to keep the puck away from the net...
You can give em a pass but I would be embarrassed to tell people I worked on this final product - I don't think there is a single aspect of the game without even minor issues across the board
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:If every player was human, sure you could argue it all comes down to bad decisions (for the most part anyway, playing human goalies is still mega unfun), but the moment you add any AI into the mix, the illusion of balance in thrown out the window.
Yes because people are constantly out of position, forcing the ai to adapt. Those adaptations take time and cause problems - and rightfully so.
Of course, this logic doesn't apply when bugs like this happen (and once again, no shocker here - it's in our favorite ultimate team mode that is rife with problems):
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:The own-goal mechanic they must have added has just got to go: every player should insrinctively try to keep the puck away from the net...
This I agree with. Although, I highly doubt an own-goal mechanic is a thing. There are presentation elements that react when a goal is scored and the last geo it touched belonged to the same team, but it's highly unlikely EA added some kind of mechanic/feature that purposely results in an own-goal sequence.
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:I would be embarrassed to tell people I worked on this final product - I don't think there is a single aspect of the game without even minor issues across the board
Every element will always have 'issues' in the eyes of people who make mistakes with them. I'm not saying anything in this game is perfect or that you're in any way inept, but the mechanics work for the most part if you work to put yourself in the most advantageous position possible. Will it ALWAYS work out for you without any bug happening at all? Of course not. Will you be successful more often than not and ease the 'anger' or second-hand embarrassment this game seems to cause you - yes. Exponentially so.
Yes AI are so so bad, they are totally badly set, they defend zones not players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXRepIuDGTg
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
@KidShowtime1867Crazy thought, just spitballin here - how about... AI just worries about it's own positioning and role and lets it all be on the humans for any "mistakes" they make?
I've actually always been a proponent of that. When I say there are A.I. mistakes because of human mistakes, I'm not saying that's how it should be. I'm just saying that's how it is. I think people conflate that and think I am demanding nothing be changed and EA is perfect lmao
However, I do believe if this change was made ( the a.i. worries only about their position) - you would see a waterfall of complaints because the EA NHL players who complain the most about the current A.i. are the ones pulling players out of position and they likely ignore the times that the a.i. bails them out. If the a.i. stopped bailing people out for making poor decisions - the community would be in a complete uproar demanding they go back to observing for and taking over coverage.
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:
I've never needed the game to be perfect; like you said it's basically impossible to do so -- I think it's more than fair to expect them to actually buckle down and work on fixing a ton of quality of life stuff. Many issues we're all used to have been around for literally a decade +. I should not and will not just "it is what it is, roll with the punches" this, it is 100% unacceptable.
I agree. Quality of life stuff has taken a backseat for some reason. That said, I've given up trying to encourage change to fit my view of what hockey should be. Rather, I come here to point out how things work, why things play out in clips the way they do and how to get better outcomes. Some people think this is me agreeing with how things play out and every decision EA makes and that's not the case.
@sirajs wrote:Yes AI are so so bad, they are totally badly set, they defend zones not players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXRepIuDGTg
I'd like to know what player was being controlled by the human in this scenario, but yea.. that's terrible.
Check this one out - and no, I did not call for a line change here:
@KidShowtime1867 Nono, I completely understand the logic behind your posts; there is a direct cause and effects with every unique play that goes on. I truly believe we have the most of the pieces we need for something everyone likes, we just need to uh, rearrange em better.
Mm, I can't speak for 6v6 but I promise you no matter what setting they're on, the AI defense will bail you out with a hit or poke like 2/10 times. Goalies are a tiiiiiny bit better on breakaways compared to last year but you're talking a neglable amount. AI are taking atrocious penalties when they have no reason to and we all know penalty shots are pretty much guaranteed, even with thr new logic/movement system in place.
You can literally just skate up to them to the point everybody acts as if they truly dont exists and that is a massive problem. They even have a 2 second delay on every faceoff its insane!
They don't need to do much, just try even a tiny bit. I firmly, truly, honestly believe nobody will miss them trying horribly to "cover" you - especially defensemen along the offensive blue line and forwards criss crossing near the net to cycle.
@sirajs wrote:Yes AI are so so bad, they are totally badly set, they defend zones not players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXRepIuDGTg
this is exactly right. AI defend meaningless zones programmed into the game in 2007. This is not how hockey works. Not sure how any human can be held accountable for a "mistake" when the AI aren't programmed to play proper fundamental defense. You can't make a "mistake" playing a fictional interpetation of hockey positioning.
@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:You can literally just skate up to them to the point everybody acts as if they truly dont exists and that is a massive problem. They even have a 2 second delay on every faceoff its insane!
That is actually insane. I didn't notice the delay until you mentioned it. Now I can't unsee it lol
@KidShowtime1867I was controlling 21 player, i missed hit, then i changed to fox 23 and missed the pokecheck. I can see problem that AI doesnt care about his player, because he is actually Center, so as the game and AI are designed, he just went on his position altought opponent player will be open for the pass. AI must be redesigned and must react on situations and dont hold the zones only
Four games of 3's. Four games of 3's is all I could stomach tonight and I won't be playing this mode ever again. It's not worth it. It's actually laughable how trash this game is at this point.
Intercepts are not broken, amirite? However, the forward streaking as fast as he can, without the puck even in his vision, is able to one hand receive the puck that's behind him. LOL. ONE HAND.
Trying to poke a player that's in full hustle with one hand handling the puck? Of course not. I'm using a poke build. The perk I'm using is "supposed" to give me an edge poking against momentum. Hmm.
Sigh.
This forward auto-reaches for the puck better than I've seen any D break up a play or intercept the puck. The icing on the cake is shooting it through two people. You ever get that feeling as to why players seem like they're shooting through you? It's because they are. Thanks EA. Thank you.
.................
Is this poke mashing? I've been told one timed poke is mashing. In any case, the auto-reach is the best offensive tool in this game. Forget about 50-50 loose pucks. Auto-reach will do most of the work for you and do it so fast that there's never any time to react to it.
Four games of absolutely trash mechanics, but please keep telling me that my defense is to blame. Please.
@Jammalammalam wrote:Four games of 3's. Four games of 3's is all I could stomach tonight and I won't be playing this mode ever again. It's not worth it. It's actually laughable how trash this game is at this point.
Intercepts are not broken, amirite? However, the forward streaking as fast as he can, without the puck even in his vision, is able to one hand receive the puck that's behind him. LOL. ONE HAND.
I'd like to see the slide show analysis on why the forward should receive that pass like that from people who claim broken interceptions are a "user skill issue" 😃
@Jagavekov wrote:
@Jammalammalam wrote:Four games of 3's. Four games of 3's is all I could stomach tonight and I won't be playing this mode ever again. It's not worth it. It's actually laughable how trash this game is at this point.
Intercepts are not broken, amirite? However, the forward streaking as fast as he can, without the puck even in his vision, is able to one hand receive the puck that's behind him. LOL. ONE HAND.
I'd like to see the slide show analysis on why the forward should receive that pass like that from people who claim broken interceptions are a "user skill issue" 😃
I'll summarize for you:
-the defender is going too fast
-the defender turned at the last second
-the defender isn't holding vision control
-the defender isn't looking directly at the puck
-the defender should not be skating
-skill issue
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@Jagavekov wrote:
@Jammalammalam wrote:Four games of 3's. Four games of 3's is all I could stomach tonight and I won't be playing this mode ever again. It's not worth it. It's actually laughable how trash this game is at this point.
Intercepts are not broken, amirite? However, the forward streaking as fast as he can, without the puck even in his vision, is able to one hand receive the puck that's behind him. LOL. ONE HAND.
I'd like to see the slide show analysis on why the forward should receive that pass like that from people who claim broken interceptions are a "user skill issue" 😃
I'll summarize for you:
-the defender is going too fast
-the defender turned at the last second
-the defender isn't holding vision control
-the defender isn't looking directly at the puck
-the defender should not be skating
-skill issue
Meanwhile:
offense has zero accountability in this game.
