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@recipe87 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867I understand that you like that the old hitting system is gone . But I think that players like you should instead learn to avoid beeing hit rahter than take away the hitting for us who like throw big hits
I think players like you abused the magnetic aspect of the old hitting system. The tractor beam-like way users could literally alter the path of the skater you’re hitting (especially with truculence) was incredibly OP and unrealistic.
@recipe87 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867Its because people of like you they have destroyed our beautiful game . Crying about beeing hit all the time . It was fun for many years until this game
came out
If there’s one thing I don’t do, it’s “cry” about anything in this game.
I like to think I make contributions by way of feedback, debate, etc that is for the betterment of this game.
I advocate for more responsibility on both sides of the puck. I urge people to spend time understanding the controls before coming here to insist everything is “broken” - including the new hitting mechanic.
its a massive fundamental change to the mechanic and I’m not surprised there is a vocal minority opposed to these changes. Many people just want to hit a button and be successful with no mind to the responsibilities in positio, speed, angle, etc
I’d rather play a hockey game that bestows responsibility on someone who just wants to lay big hits all day. I mean.. feel free to be a goon on the ice all you want - but master the tools required to be that dominant and learn the nuance before proclaiming it’s broken.
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@recipe87 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 ITS A GAME its suppose to be fun . I am a good hitter with good defensive position and good passer and have played against very good players so you can stop that
Everyone has a different definition of fun. The main point of a leisure activity like video games is to be spending time having fun. No matter how hard we try, we're not going to meet everyone's needs in this department. For me, the game is much more fun now with the reduction of the pressure system and hitting. I absolutely hated hitting in 23. Then we had the hip check issue which made me hate hitting in 24. Personally, I'm very happy with the change to hitting because I don't think it's fun to go up against teams that do nothing but hit.
People say they want a true hockey game that requires skill. Getting 50-60 hits a game is not a true representation of hockey. However, that is what is fun for some. So, we're not going to remove hitting completely which removes the fun for those players. What we've done is make it more skill based, which is a huge request from the community. They want skill to be the deciding factor in games. In my personal opinion though, the more we lean towards skill being a bigger factor, the more we get complaints from the hardcore community.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:its a massive fundamental change to the mechanic and I’m not surprised there is a vocal minority opposed to these changes. Many people just want to hit a button and be successful with no mind to the responsibilities in positio, speed, angle, etc
At the same time though, people seem generally okay with them making such a large change to the ability of the CPU goalies that further allow people to score with little skill necessary by using the assistance of numerous offensive perks and just flicking up on the stick from anywhere in the zone. I know it was mentioned above that they are still possibly looking into tweaking the goalies further, but it's a bit of a double standard to advocate for hitting assistance to be removed, then at the same time be just fine with all the different types of shooting assistance the game provides to lower the skill gap for scoring goals.
@Destroyer95 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:its a massive fundamental change to the mechanic and I’m not surprised there is a vocal minority opposed to these changes. Many people just want to hit a button and be successful with no mind to the responsibilities in positio, speed, angle, etc
At the same time though, people seem generally okay with them making such a large change to the ability of the CPU goalies that further allow people to score with little skill necessary by using the assistance of numerous offensive perks and just flicking up on the stick from anywhere in the zone. I know it was mentioned above that they are still possibly looking into tweaking the goalies further, but it's a bit of a double standard to advocate for hitting assistance to be removed, then at the same time be just fine with all the different types of shooting assistance the game provides to lower the skill gap for scoring goals.
Can you point out where I said I was “fine with all the different types of shooting assistance”?
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Destroyer95 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:its a massive fundamental change to the mechanic and I’m not surprised there is a vocal minority opposed to these changes. Many people just want to hit a button and be successful with no mind to the responsibilities in positio, speed, angle, etc
At the same time though, people seem generally okay with them making such a large change to the ability of the CPU goalies that further allow people to score with little skill necessary by using the assistance of numerous offensive perks and just flicking up on the stick from anywhere in the zone. I know it was mentioned above that they are still possibly looking into tweaking the goalies further, but it's a bit of a double standard to advocate for hitting assistance to be removed, then at the same time be just fine with all the different types of shooting assistance the game provides to lower the skill gap for scoring goals.
Can you point out where I said I was “fine with all the different types of shooting assistance”?
I surely don't see you advocating against it in the same vein as you are accusing someone of abusing the magnetic aspect of the hitting assistance. You're talking about bestowing responsibility on people that just want to lay big hits, and how that assistance was being abused, but conveniently aren't mentioning how the offensive perks also provide the same amount of assistance with shots. If that type of assistance is such a huge deal, then why stop at hitting? I actually thought EA did a decent job at eliminating most of the cheese goals this year that were present last year and beyond...until this recent update.
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@Destroyer95 wrote:
I surely don't see you advocating against it in the same vein as you are accusing someone of abusing the magnetic aspect of the hitting assistance. You're talking about bestowing responsibility on people that just want to lay big hits, and how that assistance was being abused, but conveniently aren't mentioning how the offensive perks also provide the same amount of assistance with shots. If that type of assistance is such a huge deal, then why stop at hitting? I actually thought EA did a decent job at eliminating most of the cheese goals this year that were present last year and beyond...until this recent update.
In the past, we had pre-made builds where everyone had the same amount of assistance, but people didn't like that and wanted to be able to adjust their attributes as desired. Which, just results in everyone favoring speed over everything else. I would love to see a return to this along with a perk/XF system of unlocks. Again, this is why I say that the claims of wanting a sim hockey game aren't really true since when given that opportunity, people go with the meta or a build that supports the 'win at all costs' mentality instead of creating a more realistic build.
So far I'm not seeing an influx of cheese goals since the patch. Obviously, goalies changed and can be more prone to not saving shots they did previously. Especially larger goalies. However, I've not been made aware, yet, of anything that's pure cheese. Like fast wraps of the past, for example. What cheese are you seeing since the latest update?
@Destroyer95 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Destroyer95 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:its a massive fundamental change to the mechanic and I’m not surprised there is a vocal minority opposed to these changes. Many people just want to hit a button and be successful with no mind to the responsibilities in positio, speed, angle, etc
At the same time though, people seem generally okay with them making such a large change to the ability of the CPU goalies that further allow people to score with little skill necessary by using the assistance of numerous offensive perks and just flicking up on the stick from anywhere in the zone. I know it was mentioned above that they are still possibly looking into tweaking the goalies further, but it's a bit of a double standard to advocate for hitting assistance to be removed, then at the same time be just fine with all the different types of shooting assistance the game provides to lower the skill gap for scoring goals.
Can you point out where I said I was “fine with all the different types of shooting assistance”?
I surely don't see you advocating against it in the same vein as you are accusing someone of abusing the magnetic aspect of the hitting assistance. You're talking about bestowing responsibility on people that just want to lay big hits, and how that assistance was being abused, but conveniently aren't mentioning how the offensive perks also provide the same amount of assistance with shots. If that type of assistance is such a huge deal, then why stop at hitting? I actually thought EA did a decent job at eliminating most of the cheese goals this year that were present last year and beyond...until this recent update.
Because I’m trying to keep on topic. I’ll gladly discuss the offensive side of things and where I stand on perks, X factors, etc in a topic/thread that warrants it.
For years I have wanted a more streamlined shooting mechanic, akin to the swing control in major golf games these days.
an emphasis on technique with the right stick allowing the user full control over accuracy, timing, release, etc would mean people could master it and there’d be a true skill gap on offence.
now, EA needs to input assistance and accuracy buffs in some way for player differentiation in offline modes, HUT, OVP etc. So even with a robust “swing”-like mechanic, certain players will make it easier to execute.
but in a mode like woc, removing all assistances in this hypothetical swing-mechanic and forcing users to skillfully master the shooting technique would instantly introduce a new meta and skill gap.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@Destroyer95 wrote:I surely don't see you advocating against it in the same vein as you are accusing someone of abusing the magnetic aspect of the hitting assistance. You're talking about bestowing responsibility on people that just want to lay big hits, and how that assistance was being abused, but conveniently aren't mentioning how the offensive perks also provide the same amount of assistance with shots. If that type of assistance is such a huge deal, then why stop at hitting? I actually thought EA did a decent job at eliminating most of the cheese goals this year that were present last year and beyond...until this recent update.In the past, we had pre-made builds where everyone had the same amount of assistance, but people didn't like that and wanted to be able to adjust their attributes as desired. Which, just results in everyone favoring speed over everything else. I would love to see a return to this along with a perk/XF system of unlocks. Again, this is why I say that the claims of wanting a sim hockey game aren't really true since when given that opportunity, people go with the meta or a build that supports the 'win at all costs' mentality instead of creating a more realistic build.
So far I'm not seeing an influx of cheese goals since the patch. Obviously, goalies changed and can be more prone to not saving shots they did previously. Especially larger goalies. However, I've not been made aware, yet, of anything that's pure cheese. Like fast wraps of the past, for example. What cheese are you seeing since the latest update?
The past couple of days I've seen people taking shots from angles, either in the circles or closer to the wall, that go in far side. It seems that more often than not, the goalie isn't reacting to those for some reason, even with no screen. Call them cheese or whatever you want, but either way, those should be saved most of the time.
@KidShowtime1867 Fair enough!
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@Destroyer95 wrote:
The past couple of days I've seen people taking shots from angles, either in the circles or closer to the wall, that go in far side. It seems that more often than not, the goalie isn't reacting to those for some reason, even with no screen. Call them cheese or whatever you want, but either way, those should be saved most of the time.
Yes. I've seen a couple of these, but are you able to go in to practice mode and reproduce it at a high rate? You also see goalies in the real world let shots in that they should have saved. I know the team has been made aware of these though so we'll just have to see if any changes are made.
@recipe87 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867Haha you are comparing golf and hockey ? Golf is slow and hockey is fast i play both in real life .im sorry but it doesnt work that way
In no way whatsoever am I comparing the two sports.
i am suggesting a similar approach to the shooting mechanic in hockey that is used in golf games.
Maybe you’re unfamiliar with those games, but the ability to keep RS in a straight line while simultaneously having to time the upswing with your backswing - creating a full spectrum of responsibility in motion, stability - combined with speed - gives the user the feel of full control over all aspects of their swing.
I am saying a similar emphasis and responsibility be given to the puck carriers looking to shoot in EA’s hockey game. Obviously not exactly the same as hockey is quicker and requires a much quicker motion to shoot.
This game is bad. Updates just make it far more worse than the initial release. The NHL series reminds me of the NBA Live series that is no longer in existence. Graphics are great and then slowly each year the gameplay just goes to hell. I do not expect a video game to be 100 percent realistic, what would the fun of it be then right? The physics of this game though all around are just so bad. It’s like playing a game of pinball instead of hockey. I’m a diehard hockey fan so I’ll keep playing this years since I own it but I’ll def think twice about getting NHL 25 next year if gameplay isn’t fixed.
@Destroyer95 I am with you on the goalie thing. I think I may be in the minority but I'd like it if the CPU goalies in EASHL got a substantial buff. I don't mean turn them into unrealistic super beings on cross-crease plays (which I see pretty often). I just mean a greater ability to stop straight on and unscreened shots. Especially when the shots come from bad angles. I know EA_Aljo made the point about goalies in real life giving up these goals but in EASHL it should be a fairly rare occurrence. Its tough because we constantly ask for a sim, but on the gameplay side of things, it gets very frustrating when you feel the human players did a good job locking things down only to have your computer player fail you. If we give up or score a goal, I want it to feel difficult, that it was earned by a nice play.
Had a couple of games tonight, but still think the hitting has become bad. And its not about the amount, still managed to get games with 42, 45 and 49 hits, its about the feeling. Before the update, I knew that if I timed and directed the hit right, it would land, now I missed a lot of well timed good hits basically for no reason, the attacker just went through even if I hit him. It feels random now, less fun and less skill based.
