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Community ManagerNHL 24 Patch 1.5.0 Feedback
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@Treatmentworke66 wrote:
@KidShowtime1867That's what you say about the total control I say different ,and no I won't use total control because there is no feel of accomplishment in just pressing a button
You push a button for passing though. You flick UP on RS for a shot (one 'button' press). You push a button for poke check. You push a button for stick lift.
Previously, you held up on RS for a body check.
EA has changed it so that hitting is actually more than "just pressing a button"
For a shove, yes - press B/Circle. It's effective at knocking players off the puck and should not be expected to knock players down. of course, it shouldn't always be expected to knock a player off the puck either. There are a lot of variables at play such as body positioning, momentum and of course the attributes at play between any two given players.
For a shoulder check, hold B/Circle and release for a big hit. You need to time the release. You cannot just hold B/Circle and hope that your player magnetically transforms their path to magically hit the puck carrier as with previous years. You need to aim properly and time the release. Same goes for those using RS; flick it for a shove, hold down and then time the UP input while aiming the trajectory of your body using LS.
The same aforementioned variables are at play in these scenarios too. There's more to be taken into consideration when trying to lay a big hit than in previous years where your player would just magnetically suction the opponent into a hit using RS. It was a crutch that many players leaned on and now EA is asking players to time their hits instead.
We should appreciate the added complexity in hitting because it opens the game up against an opponent who spams it. I was in favor of the removal of the speed burst on the shove/shoulder check animations but it was clear many users were still reliant on the auto-aim that came with players that had big hitting attributes/X-Factors.
I'd like the speed burst to be toned down and any kind of auto-aim that's linked to higher hitting attributed to be lessened.
@KidShowtime1867 What an interesting take from your first post about muti button and single button presses on offense vs defense. Sorry, im not sure how to properly tag/quote. Im still figuring this site out. I'm not sure I understand the logic where it's appreciated that a defender must go through a multistep process to deliver a body check, which every nhl player can perform on any given shift, in any game they play in, and if they miss they put themselves way out of position, yet an offensive player only has to press a single button to perform an obnoxious deke that less than 1% of the nhl can perform successfully and not even on a regular basis all while that said player doesn't lose momentum with the puck. Imo that kind of logic is the exact reason the game is in the state it is in. There is no balance between offense and defense. The game rewards selfish players and rewards poor decisions with the puck.
You can be in perfect position to make a simple defense play and the game will still find a way to punish you. Too often bad hockey/selfish plays get rewarded. It's astonishing someone thought that making a defender lose skating momentum while poke checking would be a good idea. It's unrealistic and handicaps the player controlling the skater. The average weight of a hockey stick is 14-21 ounces while a puck weight between 5.5-6 ounces. I'm curious as to why a player extending their stick would be cause for slowing down or stopping but a player making exaggerated movements while trying to control additional weight doesn't warrant any sort of physical limitations. It defies basic physics.
It also makes no sense that an offensive player, who is in possession of added weight to his stick (puck) regains possession of the addition weight (puck) when if by chance the puck is dislodged from his stick by a defending player skating/facing either directly towards the puck carrier or at an angle from which the puck carrier would realistically just skate past the puck or be off balance trying to regain possession. Is that because puck physics are atrocious or the sliders/tuners are being poorly managed?
The hitting mechanics should be reverted back but if you are constantly being body checked, it's the puck carriers fault for not making a timely hockey play. If stick checking and puck intercepts worked as they should, there would be less body checking so it goes back on the programming once again.
As consumers, we need to stop accepting excuses and start demanding accountability. I'm sure there's enough profit margin to hire a consultant that has had actual high level pro hockey playing experience or someone in pro management that understands the basic fundamentals of the sport instead of relying on these influencers for direction who have no inclination of real high level hockey. There also needs to be some transparency as to what works and what doesnt. What attributes actually do, how they interact with each other and the true effect they have on the game. The attribute system has been in place for over 15 years and there is always a debate on the subject.
- @HockeyAdvocate Totally agree
@HockeyAdvocate wrote:@KidShowtime1867 What an interesting take from your first post about muti button and single button presses on offense vs defense. Sorry, im not sure how to properly tag/quote. Im still figuring this site out. I'm not sure I understand the logic where it's appreciated that a defender must go through a multistep process to deliver a body check, which every nhl player can perform on any given shift, in any game they play in, and if they miss they put themselves way out of position
Throwing a body check in real life requires speed, timing and the ability to forcefully deliver a hit. A multi-step process culminating in a single action.
Throwing a body check in NHL '24 requires speed, timing and the ability to forcefully deliver a hit by way of instructing your player to brace and explode (hold & release of your chosen hitting mechanic) culminating in a single action.
Shoving a player off the puck can currently be accomplished by getting into the proper position and simply pressing B/Circle or simply pushing up on RS. A single button press.
Executing either of these actions carelessly with no appreciation to your player's current position, speed etc will result in you being out of position. The caveat I'll add here is that the added speed boost to hitting can mitigate erroneous movement while aiming with LS, giving even more simplicity to the hitter.
@HockeyAdvocate wrote: yet an offensive player only has to press a single button to perform an obnoxious deke that less than 1% of the nhl can perform successfully and not even on a regular basis all while that said player doesn't lose momentum with the puck.This is incorrect.
Firstly, the completely made-up statistic that only 1% of NHL players can successfully perform The Michigan (which I assume is 'the deke' you're referring to) is absurd. I'd wager most active NHL players are capable of performing the maneuvers required to execute the Michigan. However, there's a very small % of those players who are willing to try using it in an active game. That's a confidence variable and when it comes to the digital version of the sport, confidence in most players is through the roof. So, it stands to reason you're going to see it used more often in the virtual world.
That said, people are conflating Michigan attempts with Michigan successes. These are not equal and there is a vocal minority of people who are trying to convince everyone that every single online game is rife with Michigans and hip checks - which they're not - unless of course you're constantly giving your opponent the time, space and vulnerability to allow them to execute these with impunity. That's not far from the realm of possibility as there's a huge skill gap between those who think the game is unbalanced and those who have success at the highest levels.
@HockeyAdvocate wrote:You can be in perfect position to make a simple defense play and the game will still find a way to punish you.
Yes, by way of attributes. If you've got a player in a 'perfect' position to intercept a pass, but the puck travels to your skates, your reaction time instantly increases. Compound that with the hand-eye attribute of your player; if it's low - they're not going to be able to react in time to a puck that is seemingly in a spot to make a 'simple' play. If it's high, they might be able to capture the puck in enough time. The point is; attributes play a large roll and part of the skill of this game is being somewhat aware of the deficiencies in the player you're controlling and finding other ways to make defensive/offensive moves that play to the strength of that player, thus increasing your chances of a positive outcome.
@HockeyAdvocate wrote: The average weight of a hockey stick is 14-21 ounces while a puck weight between 5.5-6 ounces. I'm curious as to why a player extending their stick would be cause for slowing down or stopping but a player making exaggerated movements while trying to control additional weight doesn't warrant any sort of physical limitations. It defies basic physics.A poke check requires the movement of your upper body thrusting in any given direction. In spite of how much a stick weighs, this does typically shift upper body momentum. That being said, I'm not the biggest fan of the slowdown currently applied to a poke check. However, I understand the slow down is there to entice users to be more methodical with their poke checks - which opens the game up more.
A deke typically moves with the puck carrier's momentum, speed and direction. The Michigan does cause the player to stop skating and lose speed. Same with the between the legs deke and whatever deke is on A/X.
@HockeyAdvocate wrote: I'm sure there's enough profit margin to hire a consultant that has had actual high level pro hockey playing experience or someone in pro management that understands the basic fundamentals of the sport instead of relying on these influencers for direction who have no inclination of real high level hockey.EA's NHL team has been working side-by-side with the NHL and its athletes for 30 years.
@KidShowtime1867What a joke
