NHL24 Be a Pro AI
So I finally decided to start a BaP player in NHL23 (since I got the itch to watch some hockey) to supplement my normal online versus play and my lord... is the dev team aware of how horrible your AI...
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In our extensive testing and stuff under the hood, nothing is left untouched.., For example this is a screenshot of things used to monitor new DMEN and Goalies edits…
At a different time in the testing, we looked and focused at our DMEN, where they actually made a bonehead play in our zone or anywhere on the ice. Should they have made a pass here ? Did they see the winger near the board for a breakout pass ? Did they have that deer caught in the headlights on that play ? Should they have made a shot here instead of passing and playing ping pong for nothing ?
So yeah, so much stuff gameplay wise that can be adjusted in the finest details, but it takes lots of patience, lots of craziness also 😉😆
We will be delivering our FINAL update pretty soon and in my books it will be a game changer for years to come 😀
The fact that you say that so much can be fine tuned to play like a hockey game and proper AI except it takes lots of time and patience is absolutely pathetic for this company and developers. You have probably poured loads of hours into testing and tweaking and that says more about how bad the AI is than any kind of fix.
The AI is awful in this game, plain and simple. They should at the very least be able to play positional. I can't say how many times I've tried to play be a pro and the AI is absolutely lost on the ice. I've had 2 on 1s with an AI team mate and he just literally skates away from the play without going to a line change, he littlerally just skates away.
I've tried your sliders and I think you've done a great job on them and happy they work for people but there is far too many bobbled easy passes that should never bappen so I've given up on those. NhL 23 is a dead game anyways and we will see what 24 brings but if anyone is expecting the AI to play like hockey players then ypu will be fooling yourselves.
@rabid55wolverine wrote:The fact that you say that so much can be fine tuned to play like a hockey game and proper AI except it takes lots of time and patience is absolutely pathetic for this company and developers. You have probably poured loads of hours into testing and tweaking and that says more about how bad the AI is than any kind of fix.
The AI is awful in this game, plain and simple. They should at the very least be able to play positional. I can't say how many times I've tried to play be a pro and the AI is absolutely lost on the ice. I've had 2 on 1s with an AI team mate and he just literally skates away from the play without going to a line change, he littlerally just skates away.
I've tried your sliders and I think you've done a great job on them and happy they work for people but there is far too many bobbled easy passes that should never bappen so I've given up on those. NhL 23 is a dead game anyways and we will see what 24 brings but if anyone is expecting the AI to play like hockey players then ypu will be fooling yourselves.
Can’t speak for BAP, but I do play Position Lock 95% of the time and saying that the AI doesn’t play their positions properly is not accurate at all.. Most of the time, it’s the user that controls the said player that is out of HIS position, that’s what's gonna mess with the AI, cause it’s gonna try and cover for the player that left his spot on the ice… And I’ve never seen a player just skate away in all my time with the game.
Thanks for trying out my sliders 👍 That being said it’s a combo of many things including the very important roster… I see bobbled pass maybe at a 10% rate and most of the time it called for that like in real hockey. The player on the receiving end is sometimes not in an ideal spot and disposition to receive the puck cleanly and that plays a big part, like it should.
When you say that NHL23 is a dead game anyway, I couldn’t disagree more, cause for a bunch of us, it has never been more alive 😀
@PernellKarl027 wrote:
@rabid55wolverine wrote:The fact that you say that so much can be fine tuned to play like a hockey game and proper AI except it takes lots of time and patience is absolutely pathetic for this company and developers. You have probably poured loads of hours into testing and tweaking and that says more about how bad the AI is than any kind of fix.
The AI is awful in this game, plain and simple. They should at the very least be able to play positional. I can't say how many times I've tried to play be a pro and the AI is absolutely lost on the ice. I've had 2 on 1s with an AI team mate and he just literally skates away from the play without going to a line change, he littlerally just skates away.
I've tried your sliders and I think you've done a great job on them and happy they work for people but there is far too many bobbled easy passes that should never bappen so I've given up on those. NhL 23 is a dead game anyways and we will see what 24 brings but if anyone is expecting the AI to play like hockey players then ypu will be fooling yourselves.
Can’t speak for BAP, but I do play Position Lock 95% of the time and saying that the AI doesn’t play their positions properly is not accurate at all.. Most of the time, it’s the user that controls the said player that is out of HIS position, that’s what's gonna mess with the AI, cause it’s gonna try and cover for the player that left his spot on the ice… And I’ve never seen a player just skate away in all my time with the game.
Thanks for trying out my sliders 👍 That being said it’s a combo of many things including the very important roster… I see bobbled pass maybe at a 10% rate and most of the time it called for that like in real hockey. The player on the receiving end is sometimes not in an ideal spot and disposition to receive the puck cleanly and that plays a big part, like it should.
When you say that NHL23 is a dead game anyway, I couldn’t disagree more, cause for a bunch of us, it has never been more alive 😀
It's usually the player that plays out of position that causes the AI to be out of position. This is such an EA statement. I have asked this numerous times and get ignored on almost every single time but I play RD almost exclusively unless I'm goofing around. I've played BAP and locked in games as RD and EVERY single game, im on the boards with the puck on the right corner and yet the LD is almost standing in my skates. This is constant.
Another scenario, on the breakout. I'm backing up, controlling my side and the LD yet again goes from. The left side over to the right for no reason what so ever and causes a double team and the puck goes to the middle and a breakaway. This happens quite a bit. Every mode, every game.
If you aren't seeing this, you must be playing a completely different game. The AI is at best mediocre and again the fact that you have to pour in hours and hiyrs of testing and tweaking says everything about how the AI plays in this game. Just because you can set sliders to make the game "like real life" to a minor extent means absolutely nothing to be honest and please don't think that is me taking anything away from what you do making sliders that work but EA is the one that needs to put hours and hours into the game to make the AI work properly and not do stupid things over and over.
Just the simple fact that you have to make the rosters different too and change ratings says a lot about where the game is at.
As far as a dead game goes, yes you might play it a lot offline but the majority has vanished from this game and will be firing up the new one. There might be 10 to 15% still playing 23 but that makes this basically a dead game.
@rabid55wolverine wrote:The AI is at best mediocre and again the fact that you have to pour in hours and hiyrs of testing and tweaking says everything about how the AI plays in this game. Just because you can set sliders to make the game "like real life" to a minor extent means absolutely nothing to be honest and please don't think that is me taking anything away from what you do making sliders that work but EA is the one that needs to put hours and hours into the game to make the AI work properly and not do stupid things over and over.
Just the simple fact that you have to make the rosters different too and change ratings says a lot about where the game is at.
As far as a dead game goes, yes you might play it a lot offline but the majority has vanished from this game and will be firing up the new one. There might be 10 to 15% still playing 23 but that makes this basically a dead game.
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First of all no game's AI is even remotely perfect out of the box. Every game from 2K to EA had flaws in them. But I saw something I really liked about 23 in general and that’s why I spent hours on end coming with these changes. Was it my job to do this ? Of course not. But I first started this journey when I saw that I could really change some AI behaviour when editing specific values for the players. Especially the DMEN… Then it became an obsession, cause the more I found stuff, the more the game played like I always dreamed a hockey game would play 😀
We always have to keep in mind that this game's DNA has always been on the Arcade side, so making it play closer to a SIM is no easy task indeed… I can’t even play the "default" Simulation sliders from EA for more than 5 minutes. That’s why the major edits on players needed to be done, to tame that wild arcade horse that’s under the hood….
I just played a game at LD locked and kept a very close eye on my AI buddy on the right end side, and I never saw what you see ? One time we switched position when he came out the bench first and he covered for me on my side. And after we switched during the play when it was the right time to do so. Like you will see often time in real life.
And I won’t be just saying words, I will shortly post an unedited period of me playing LD locked and we can analyze their play if you want ?
That is why NHL23 will become (has already become) my GO TO Hockey game for years and years down the road 😀
