Not recommended to manually defend cross crease?

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:

For further proof here's the best comparison: 

Vs 

The big difference is the left hand being super low and stick position. 

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These are literally the same animation

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:

This one is really bad. 

https://youtu.be/TntJF-rosCE?si=J8hoDQXyj1XNYfid

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It's not that bad. Red could've done a better job facing the puck carrier in anticipation of the pass, but instead continued to skate full speed backwards (watch it full speed, in the slowed down clip you can't notice how much hustle is being used). Red did end up blocking the shot, which means they did execute good positioning and ultimately stopped the chance. .

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:

https://youtu.be/yTOod3IUdHI?si=ky99tNaDDTCSQWsP

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You get caught skating to coverage that's already covered by your teammate, and then you stop-start in an attempt to get back into the passing lane. I think attributes are likely more at play here than you think. Personaly, I think your positioning is fine but it's the constant movement and rush to change positions that lowers the chances of you intercepting this. 

You can scrutinize these plays till you're blue in the face - the bigger issue here how pixel perfect defense needs to be when offense gets way more automatic support.

Not only do I need to be pixel perfect with pokes, I now need to be in the exact perfect spot (out of like a billion different possibilities), *and* now I need to worry about the timing of every single movement and button press I do, all at the same time. Who cares about a start-stop if I made it to the spot I needed to be?

No animation cancelling, no full limb control, sloooow and dated blocking plays, etc... 

I wouldn't be so mad if passing had 0 assist or all shots were manual

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@Limp_KidzKit wrote:

when I played D in college, laying down usually resulted in pucks hitting my solid body...thats just me though..

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Watch it again, The puck goes under his body on the way down. When you laid down while playing D in college, was your body instantly flush with the ice the moment you decided to lay down? Or was there a period of time between when you decided to lay down and when your body was flush to the ice, that the puck could've travelled under your body?

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Not really since we wear pads when we play hockey so you dont go to the ground like an eldery man falling and trying to not get hurt...you just drop drop down and become flush with the ice...he initiated the fall right before release...more than enough time to become flush from that far out

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@TTZ_Dipsy wrote:

You can scrutinize these plays till you're blue in the face - the bigger issue here how pixel perfect defense needs to be when offense gets way more automatic support.

Not only do I need to be pixel perfect with pokes, I now need to be in the exact perfect spot (out of like a billion different possibilities), *and* now I need to worry about the timing of every single movement and button press I do, all at the same time. Who cares about a start-stop if I made it to the spot I needed to be?

No animation cancelling, no full limb control, sloooow and dated blocking plays, etc... 

I wouldn't be so mad if passing had 0 assist or all shots were manual

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bingo...this discussion is easy to understand...defensive difficulty shouldnt be playing chess against magnus carlsen while offensive difficulty is playing with a fisher price speak and say toy

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@Limp_KidzKitWhat a comparison! Lmao

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I bring the humor and the thunder lol

on a serious note this balance of ease actually should lean towards defense in terms of 1v1 scenarios while giving the offense more ways to score and more reward for earning a grade A chance. Thats the problem with this game. too many grade A's with no reward (due to goalie balancing) so we nerf the heck ouit of 1v1 defense rather than adding forechecking strats that make sense and the ability to score 1st goals from the "house" regularly and making screens seffective and on and on.

You can add more ways to score...dare I saw "easier" ways to score if you make getting those high danger chances much much harder than they currently are. simple stuff in theory but were always marching the wrong way

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@Limp_KidzKit wrote:

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@Limp_KidzKitWhat a comparison! Lmao

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I bring the humor and the thunder lol

on a serious note this balance of ease actually should lean towards defense in terms of 1v1 scenarios while giving the offense more ways to score and more reward for earning a grade A chance. Thats the problem with this game. too many grade A's with no reward (due to goalie balancing) so we nerf the heck ouit of 1v1 defense rather than adding forechecking strats that make sense and the ability to score 1st goals from the "house" regularly and making screens seffective and on and on.

You can add more ways to score...dare I saw "easier" ways to score if you make getting those high danger chances much much harder than they currently are. simple stuff in theory but were always marching the wrong way

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100% agree. A shot in the slot should have a 30% chance of going in, but it should be difficult to get to the slot. Screens should have a higher chance of going in or creating rebounds. Tips are actually just a slightly bit OP right now but it's close to balanced there (if we could engage in net battles it'd be perfect).

Especially with the pressure system this change would make people feel rewarded, that they aren't goalie'd etc.

Especially with the skating in this game favoring forwards or the people who possess the puck, I don't think buffing interceptions and poke checks and making goaltenders weaker if deep in their net would be a bad thing at all. Force the goalies to come out to cut down angles, lower one-timer accuracy significantly and you're golden. 

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:

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@Limp_KidzKit wrote:

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:
@Limp_KidzKitWhat a comparison! Lmao

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I bring the humor and the thunder lol

on a serious note this balance of ease actually should lean towards defense in terms of 1v1 scenarios while giving the offense more ways to score and more reward for earning a grade A chance. Thats the problem with this game. too many grade A's with no reward (due to goalie balancing) so we nerf the heck ouit of 1v1 defense rather than adding forechecking strats that make sense and the ability to score 1st goals from the "house" regularly and making screens seffective and on and on.

You can add more ways to score...dare I saw "easier" ways to score if you make getting those high danger chances much much harder than they currently are. simple stuff in theory but were always marching the wrong way

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100% agree. A shot in the slot should have a 30% chance of going in, but it should be difficult to get to the slot. Screens should have a higher chance of going in or creating rebounds. Tips are actually just a slightly bit OP right now but it's close to balanced there (if we could engage in net battles it'd be perfect).

Especially with the pressure system this change would make people feel rewarded, that they aren't goalie'd etc.

Especially with the skating in this game favoring forwards or the people who possess the puck, I don't think buffing interceptions and poke checks and making goaltenders weaker if deep in their net would be a bad thing at all. Force the goalies to come out to cut down angles, lower one-timer accuracy significantly and you're golden. 

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Exactly dude! i dont mind back saktign being much slower than forwards but we need the DSS speed nerf removed. then yeah slot shots needs to be much more lethal and screens need to result in at least blocking saves with scrambles if not straight goals. then make the Ai actually properly collapse to the middle-low of the zone so that real scrambles can play out! AI forwards also need to converge on the net with a loose puck rather than starting their super awesomke "1-2-2 whatever" as soon as a shot is taken lol.

everyone says hockey is "random" and they dont understand the sport. you create your own luck. making passing plays and working the puck and shooting smart are all "skill" plays and you should be rewarded for finding a shooting lane from the point or taking a nice shot off of a cut through a screen. the "iso ball" version of "hockey" displayed in this game is not hockey in the slightest. all of the balancing issues stem from this just incorrect appraoch to the sport!