Re: Dumping the puck
@smugxb wrote:What's the deal with the difficulty introduced this year with something as simple as dumping the puck? I mean, it's always been problematic, but this year, it's ridiculous that half the time your skater has a problem reaching their own blue line.
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:
@smugxbIt's stupid and ridiculous that under pressure you're not able to flip the puck out of your zone ,not to mention it can also be used to create a breakout play ,needs to be reverted back to how it use to be ....this was a dumb idea
@TasteofChicago91 wrote:Furthermore why isn’t there a feature/way to do a quick HIGH off the glass shot clear.. as of now you can shoot it out for a dump but it’s usually too low..
but when I’m watching an NHL game I see players clear it high off the glass and with great power too.. and they can do it very quickly too. When they clear it like this it’s wayyy more effective because it can’t be picked off.. nhl 24 or 25 NEEDS this.
defensemen could really use a tool like this
@Cote12 wrote: But how am I supposed to react when something so integral to the game gets reduced to a weak little fart? How am I supposed to take any of it seriously when they worked so hard all year— while I impatiently waited, excited— just to see something so bananas crazy?
@PernellKarl027 wrote:I also use the HIGH dump in 23, when in my zone as a D sometimes to throw a "long bomb" to one of my forwards leaving the zone early… You should see the smile on my face when it connects 😀
oh, like this?
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:Flipping the puck out of the defensive zone under pressure or to create a play is part of hockey ...what will be nerfed next being able to slap the puck out of the defensive zone ....absolute garbage
@smugxb wrote:So sans PK, you don't have a valid way to decrease pressure other than skating it or passing it out, which by the way, is much harder when all of your energy is drained.
@rsandersr47 wrote:
you FURTHER tampered with the real sport by removing something that is used in almost every real hockey game..
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:i mean..you see tons of flipped pucks into neutral to get a line change IRL...
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:maybe have tons of incidental contact so the forecheck can actually disrupt the play? mayeb add real forechecking strategies to the game
@Treatmentworke66 wrote: they rigged it so you can't just simply flip the puck out when under pressure
@trunkfu wrote:
I've had countless times when a defenseman had all the time in the world and still couldn't get the puck past the first forward.
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:
@RelentlessJ69You also see in hockey is the ability to flip the puck out
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:I simple hockey play that happens frequently has been removed
@Hanseniza wrote:its juse makes zero sense why EA removed so basic normally thing like a dump from the game
@NeonSkyline21 wrote: when I chip the puck off the glass in my real-life hockey games, the puck goes HARD off that glass and goes either down the length of the ice or high up into the stratosphere where no one is going to jump and catch it.
Velocity can be upped, but the mechanic still works just as the hockey IQ guys want it to:
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:
@KlariskraysNHLthe puck flip was also used to create break out plays under the right circumstances and with the right strategies, and I never heard anyone say the hated the puck flip
Dumping the puck isn't "broken". Can it be improved upon? Most certainly. But if executed properly, it can yield the same real-world results that the people in this thread who claim it's "broken" - are looking for.
As with most things people claim to be "broken" - it's not. It takes some practice to master. There's a new methodology behind it's execution. Many of us, myself included, rallied for core gameplay changes to make the game feel fresh. Rather than try to learn and adapt to the new methods and techniques - people just come here to complain it's 'broken'. I am so passionately against people claiming the new things are 'broken' because the changes in gameplay are refreshing. Yes, it can be improved upon, but what's equally true is that if executed properly and with skill, they're as effective as their real-life counterparts.
If we all start giving into the groupthink and echochambers who claim everything new is broken, then we revert back to the stale mechanics that were due for change.
I'm trying to provide some help to those struggling with this mechanic. I'm wanting to show that it IS possible to execute the play you want, but you need to have some patience in grasping how the devs intended for you to execute it rather than get frustrated at a misfire and insisting it's broken.
I'd also like to say that these clips are not "cherry picked" in the sense that I played 40 games and only got a few instances of the mechanic working. These were all taken from the same 2-3 games that I played purposely to execute the flip dump to show that it works. I'm also playing against players with CR's of 600-700. Not the best in the world, but absolutely a good median CR for what 99% of the people in these threads play against.
I know the goal posts will be moved again, and I welcome that. I'm excited that this debate has forced me to learn more about the nuance of the flip. It's yeilded some great offensive scenarios and setups, and has given me even more confidence that I'm able to work my way out from under full pressure. I hate the pressure meter, but finding ways to combat against it is kinda fun tbh. I believe it's the meta that EA was going for. I'm still overall, pessimistic about the mechanic but the recent changes and the continued effort in learning how to clear the puck to provide those examples in this thread have made me more positive.
