Re: Nhl 24 the game for everyone and anyone.
Is the game really for everyone when it doesn't even have a controls or strategies tutorial?
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@RatedxPGxEnigma wrote:Is the game really for everyone when it doesn't even have a controls or strategies tutorial?
Although a guided tutorial for each control mechanic would be nice, the ability to learn and practice the control is still available in NHL 24.
All strategy settings are explained in detail, including a diagram showing where each position should be, when you're adjusting them pre-game:
Control diagrams are also offered in-game and these can all be practiced via practice mode:
@RatedxPGxEnigma wrote:Is the game really for everyone when it doesn't even have a controls or strategies tutorial?
I'd be incredibly interested to hear/read the breakdown for the "1-2-2" forechecking concepts or any of the zone defense concepts considering the AI don't have any clue as to how to properly take and hold onto assignments in their own end.
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:
@RatedxPGxEnigma wrote:Is the game really for everyone when it doesn't even have a controls or strategies tutorial?
I'd be incredibly interested to hear/read the breakdown for the "1-2-2" forechecking concepts or any of the zone defense concepts considering the AI don't have any clue as to how to properly take and hold onto assignments in their own end.
They actually hold assignments really well so long as the human player understands where the player they're controlling should be positioned. Often times, in OVP, a player will retain control of the same player while chasing the puck in the D-Zone. This causes all kinds of A.i. issues as they're all adjusting to what the human is doing. Conversely, swapping control to the defensive player closest to the puck and continuing to switch that control as the puck possession between opponents changes via passes etc, you'll notice the A.i. will continue holding their man-to-man coverage. Swapping player control is a skill in and of itself and ensuring the player you're controlling is playing where they're supposed to be playing is another skill.
As a disclaimer, I'm not suggesting this is how it should be. I'm a proponent of the a.i. having a slider that adjusts their addiction to covering other positions. I'm just explaining what I've noticed that helps get better outcomes from my a.i.
@KidShowtime1867These are not tutorials. I specifically said tutorials like MLB, NBA, NFL, FC, UFC & even WWE have. Don't do your brown-nosing Gimmick on me, I don't find it cute
@RatedxPGxEnigma wrote:@KidShowtime1867These are not tutorials. I specifically said tutorials like MLB, NBA, NFL, FC, UFC & even WWE have. Don't do your brown-nosing Gimmick on me, I don't find it cute
There's plenty of YouTube tutorials surrounding NHL game mechanics. Combine the in-game practice mode with those videos. It's worked well for many people in the community.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@Limp_KidzKit wrote:
@RatedxPGxEnigma wrote:Is the game really for everyone when it doesn't even have a controls or strategies tutorial?
I'd be incredibly interested to hear/read the breakdown for the "1-2-2" forechecking concepts or any of the zone defense concepts considering the AI don't have any clue as to how to properly take and hold onto assignments in their own end.
They actually hold assignments really well so long as the human player understands where the player they're controlling should be positioned. Often times, in OVP, a player will retain control of the same player while chasing the puck in the D-Zone. This causes all kinds of A.i. issues as they're all adjusting to what the human is doing. Conversely, swapping control to the defensive player closest to the puck and continuing to switch that control as the puck possession between opponents changes via passes etc, you'll notice the A.i. will continue holding their man-to-man coverage. Swapping player control is a skill in and of itself and ensuring the player you're controlling is playing where they're supposed to be playing is another skill.
As a disclaimer, I'm not suggesting this is how it should be. I'm a proponent of the a.i. having a slider that adjusts their addiction to covering other positions. I'm just explaining what I've noticed that helps get better outcomes from my a.i.
What's the assignment in a "1-2-2 Aggressive" lol? What's the assignment in a "1-2-2 passive?"
These are fictional concepts. There's no assignments. The 1-2-2 passive sees the AI stand in a stationary triangle from the hasmarks to the tops of each respective circle. They aren't covering an "assisngment" they're just standing there, so wrong.
The 1-2-2 aggressive" has one hard forchecker with the strong-side winger crashing, essentially being the "2" in what would be considered a real life "2-3" so again, wrong.
I want you to breakdown what a real 1-2-2 should look like and then apply that to what you see a 1-2-2 in the game do. You will be shocked at how incredibly wrong the 1-2-2 options we have in the game are. You don't "crash" in a 1-2-2 on the puck carrier. That's a fundamental rule of 1-2-2's. The middle "2" NEED to maintain depth otherwise you're caught 4-3 going back again your net with almost zero ability to keep the play on one side of the ice which is a massive disadvantage for the defending team.
How about the in-game 2-3 with the 3rd forward just sitting at the blueline? That's wrong. The 3rd forward covers the center/center swinging forward on the other team. They don't passively sit at the blueline doing nothing. Also, the 2-3 should be an automatic pinch if your 3rd forward is high. Do you see D automatically pinching low on the strong-siode wing in this game? no. You only see it if set to 10/10 pinch and even then it's incredibly delayed and ends up failing more than not because the middle of the ice is wide open because the 3rd forward isnt covering the middle swing, they're sitting at the blueline doing nothing.
I offer paragraphs of real life context for my position on a lack of realistic strategies in this game, I'd invite you to reciprocate so I can better understand your position. And again, like my other posts, this is all observations of a 100% AI controlled team. There's no human element to these shortcomings so we can ignore any human element influencing these errors that I'm seeing on a consistent basis.
Dang I didn't think you'd push back against even THAT simple question lol. You've got gusto.
As far as your claim about their "explanation" of the game's strategies: yeah, they give you a text blurb about what the strategies supposedly do and show you a static image of the players' "home" positions in said strategies BUT they don't show the strategies in motion at all and don't give the player tips on how they should play the strategy to ensure that their AI follows suit.
Basically what I'm saying is the strategy explanations and especially their implementations could be improved immensely in all three areas; offensive zone forechecking, neutral zone forechecking, and defensive schemes.
