Re: The poke checking is so badddd

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:

https://youtu.be/0yu1yYxcwd0?si=-Sre22b5noTewtu6

97 pokechecking with gold stick em up and shutdown.

97 pokechecking with gold stick em up and shutdown.

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Christ

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@IceLion68 wrote:

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:

https://youtu.be/0yu1yYxcwd0?si=-Sre22b5noTewtu6

97 pokechecking with gold stick em up and shutdown.

97 pokechecking with gold stick em up and shutdown.

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Christ

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The puck is knocked loose in this scenario, but the defender remained in DSS when they should've used a quick shove (while the puck was loose) to gain better body position:

The defender also takes a TERRIBLE route while his man still has the puck!

Player goes on the red arrow. Puck carrier follows the blue arrow. Player should've followed the green arrow and laid the body.

Defender then throws a poke check while behind the puck carrier, negating any chance to catch up and play the body

This was POORLY played by the defender. ,

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@IceLion68 wrote:

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@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:

https://youtu.be/0yu1yYxcwd0?si=-Sre22b5noTewtu6

97 pokechecking with gold stick em up and shutdown.

97 pokechecking with gold stick em up and shutdown.

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Christ

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The puck is knocked loose in this scenario, but the defender remained in DSS when they should've used a quick shove (while the puck was loose) to gain better body position:

The defender also takes a TERRIBLE route while his man still has the puck!

Player goes on the red arrow. Puck carrier follows the blue arrow. Player should've followed the green arrow and laid the body.

Defender then throws a poke check while behind the puck carrier, negating any chance to catch up and play the body

This was POORLY played by the defender. ,

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“Poorly” seems like a strong word here honestly. Perfectly? No. “Poorly”?. Also no imo.

If anything your slide show presentation really only serves to reinforce my point that the “skill gap” between successful defense (the detailed whiteboard session you present here ) and successful offense (where the skater in question had to do essentially nothing but continue skating ) is ridiculous 

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@IceLion68 wrote:

 your slide show presentation

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hahaha salty

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@IceLion68 wrote:

If anything your slide show presentation really only serves to reinforce my point that the “skill gap” between successful defense (the detailed whiteboard session you present here ) and successful offense (where the skater in question had to do essentially nothing but continue skating ) is ridiculous 

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Anyone who has played hockey at any level will tell you defence is harder than offence. If you think they are equal, you've never played the game. 

Defending will always require additional skill, patience and adeptness at the mechanics and controls. As it should. You need to be able to read the play, adjust, maintain composure and attack with intelligence. IRL, defenders are better skaters, more precise with their attacks, able to assess when to pressure and when not to, etc. There's a LOT more responsibility on a defender than a forward. Suggesting that this be equalized so that people who don't read the play right or make bad decisions on defence somehow get a 'pass' just in the name of 'balance' is absurd. 

Offensive players just need to put the puck on net and be open offensively. This is true for both real life and NHL 24. 

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:
@KidShowtime1867First off the route the defender takes is dictated by the defender's speed, which is unrealistically lowered the second he uses a well timed poke check 

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Wrong.

The route is NOT dictated by the speed of the defender. It's dictated by the person controlling the player. If the person controlling the player is incorrectly instructing their player to burst with speed in any given direction, that's still a decision being made by the human.

2nd, you cannot poke check (thrust your stick forward with your top hand) while continuing to accelerate. Strap on some skates, hit the rink and start poke checking people during a game while accelerating and then expecting to instantly possess the puck the instant you knock it loose. You'll have a bad time and you'll be tired af. 

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:
The defender now has no choice but to chase and is obviously in a bad position, through no fault of his own, 

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Huh? A bad poke check will put you out of position. That's their own fault. 

Being literally on top of the puck carrier, near the back of the player, and rather than play the body, a poke check is used - that's a mistake!

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:
Typical NHL24 play, 100% fake.

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fake? haha. I don't even know what that's supposed to mean lmao

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@couture2fat2fly wrote:unrealistically fails to send the puck anywhere really, at which point he's so unrealistically slowed down by having extended his stick twice in 2 seconds that the forward gets a free scoring chance despite having done absolutely nothing right

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The puck carrier maintained body position on a defender who was hitting poke check too much. 

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@IceLion68 wrote:

 your slide show presentation

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hahaha salty

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@IceLion68 wrote:

If anything your slide show presentation really only serves to reinforce my point that the “skill gap” between successful defense (the detailed whiteboard session you present here ) and successful offense (where the skater in question had to do essentially nothing but continue skating ) is ridiculous 

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Anyone who has played hockey at any level will tell you defence is harder than offence. If you think they are equal, you've never played the game. 

Defending will always require additional skill, patience and adeptness at the mechanics and controls. As it should. You need to be able to read the play, adjust, maintain composure and attack with intelligence. IRL, defenders are better skaters, more precise with their attacks, able to assess when to pressure and when not to, etc. There's a LOT more responsibility on a defender than a forward. Suggesting that this be equalized so that people who don't read the play right or make bad decisions on defence somehow get a 'pass' just in the name of 'balance' is absurd. 

Offensive players just need to put the puck on net and be open offensively. This is true for both real life and NHL 24. 

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this is just simply not true. Actually the opposite once you get to high school and above. The speed of the game and the compete level of the game means that time and space are reduced ten-fold compared to minor (U14) hockey and actually the first habits broken in HS-aged hockey is the desire to glide, take your time, not move the puck, unnecessarily take guys on when the situation doesn't require it.

Now "defense" is a pretty vague term. Skating skill alone is a huge separation point between good D at the HS and up levels vs bad D. Next is their awareness and ability to read the play. The last separation point is the ability to simply defend a 1v1 vs an offensive player. Even your JV D can play 1v1s against varisty caliber forwards when that's the only objective. 

Getting a quality shot off is insanely hard work. Simply getting a stick on puck and keeping a gap is easy compared to havign the edgework and puck poise to get a good shot off. 

So what are you actually trying to argue? That the position of Defense is harder? Sure, due to skating skill alone. But in terms of 1v1, defense is way easier. That's not where the difficulty of the position comes in. That's your edgework and play recognition. a "good stick" in a 1v1 scenario is a "dime a dozen" at the HS level and up.

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@IceLion68 wrote:

 your slide show presentation

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hahaha salty

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@IceLion68 wrote:

If anything your slide show presentation really only serves to reinforce my point that the “skill gap” between successful defense (the detailed whiteboard session you present here ) and successful offense (where the skater in question had to do essentially nothing but continue skating ) is ridiculous 

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Anyone who has played hockey at any level will tell you defence is harder than offence. If you think they are equal, you've never played the game. 

Defending will always require additional skill, patience and adeptness at the mechanics and controls. As it should. You need to be able to read the play, adjust, maintain composure and attack with intelligence. IRL, defenders are better skaters, more precise with their attacks, able to assess when to pressure and when not to, etc. There's a LOT more responsibility on a defender than a forward. Suggesting that this be equalized so that people who don't read the play right or make bad decisions on defence somehow get a 'pass' just in the name of 'balance' is absurd. 

Offensive players just need to put the puck on net and be open offensively. This is true for both real life and NHL 24. 

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This is just objectively and factually not true.  In a typical 60 minute game of hockey, the offense is successful an average of about 6 times (6 goals per game).  There are many more "defensive"  successes - changes of possession and turnovers - tens or even maybe a hundred more - in a typical game of hockey than there are goals.  Can't make up facts to defend the game.

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@Jagavekov wrote:

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@KidShowtime1867 wrote:

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@IceLion68 wrote:

 your slide show presentation

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hahaha salty

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@IceLion68 wrote:

If anything your slide show presentation really only serves to reinforce my point that the “skill gap” between successful defense (the detailed whiteboard session you present here ) and successful offense (where the skater in question had to do essentially nothing but continue skating ) is ridiculous 

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Anyone who has played hockey at any level will tell you defence is harder than offence. If you think they are equal, you've never played the game. 

Defending will always require additional skill, patience and adeptness at the mechanics and controls. As it should. You need to be able to read the play, adjust, maintain composure and attack with intelligence. IRL, defenders are better skaters, more precise with their attacks, able to assess when to pressure and when not to, etc. There's a LOT more responsibility on a defender than a forward. Suggesting that this be equalized so that people who don't read the play right or make bad decisions on defence somehow get a 'pass' just in the name of 'balance' is absurd. 

Offensive players just need to put the puck on net and be open offensively. This is true for both real life and NHL 24. 

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This is just objectively and factually not true.  In a typical 60 minute game of hockey, the offense is successful an average of about 6 times (6 goals per game).  There are many more "defensive"  successes - changes of possession and turnovers - tens or even maybe a hundred more - in a typical game of hockey than there are goals.  Can't make up facts to defend the game.

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Precisely