Watch how this player gains body position BEFORE attempting a poke:
Almost identical to this play:
What's the difference?
A very small adjustment in deciding to poke when they had better body position that resulted in a better outcome:
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:Watch how this player gains body position BEFORE attempting a poke:
Almost identical to this play:
What's the difference?
A very small adjustment in deciding to poke when they had better body position that resulted in a better outcome:
Shouldn't he have hit there?!
Silly play. Had nothing to do with positioning but incidental contact and a poke check that fortunes out and connects with puck on the 2nd touch (of the same poke).
That'd be a good clip to show if it was consistent, but it was flukey because most times the incidental contact animation won't trigger nor actually touching the puck and directing it away from the player.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:What's the difference?
A very small adjustment in deciding to poke when they had better body position that resulted in a better outcome:
Again - you're making my argument for me. Even if I were to cede your argument that defense in real life is (and in a videogame *should* be) harder, AND I were to agree to all your assertions and observations about the defensive gameplay presented here - the simple fact remains: there is just too large a discrepancy between how precise one has to be on defense vs offense to be successful.
If this is not a hockey simulation - and I think we can all agree that it is not - why is the game so punishing for such small margins of error for one aspect but not another. Same for goalie I suspect - all you accomplish is making it less fun for people to play those positions and ultimately reduce the player pool for those playing that position - we saw that this year for goalies in leagues - many of whom gave up the position to play fwd
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:Had nothing to do with positioning but incidental contact
Answer me this: How does one trigger incidental contact if they didn't have good body positioning?
The claim that this was a "silly play" is just absurd.
@TheUnusedCrayon wrote:That'd be a good clip to show if it was consistent, but it was flukey because most times the incidental contact animation won't trigger nor actually touching the puck and directing it away from the player.
This doesn't make any sense.
@IceLion68 wrote:Even if I were to cede your argument that defense in real life is (and in a videogame *should* be) harder, AND I were to agree to all your assertions and observations about the defensive gameplay presented here - the simple fact remains: there is just too large a discrepancy between how precise one has to be on defense vs offense to be successful.
Agree to disagree on this. I like that players need to be defensively skilled in order to be successful. With the offensive prowess of your average EA NHL player, it would absolutely suck if they could get up by a couple of goals and just use 'dumbed down' defensive mechanics to shut everything down and glide to victory.
It seems you'd rather stifle offense instead of making people more defensively responsible. I very much disagree with that.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@IceLion68 wrote:Even if I were to cede your argument that defense in real life is (and in a videogame *should* be) harder, AND I were to agree to all your assertions and observations about the defensive gameplay presented here - the simple fact remains: there is just too large a discrepancy between how precise one has to be on defense vs offense to be successful.Agree to disagree on this. I like that players need to be defensively skilled in order to be successful. With the offensive prowess of your average EA NHL player, it would absolutely suck if they could get up by a couple of goals and just use 'dumbed down' defensive mechanics to shut everything down and glide to victory.
It seems you'd rather stifle offense instead of making people more defensively responsible. I very much disagree with that.
Everything has been stated otherwise about him wanting to stifle offense. In fact he's promoted offense being rewarded by getting to good areas of the ice, so I dunno where you'd get that notion from.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@IceLion68 wrote:Even if I were to cede your argument that defense in real life is (and in a videogame *should* be) harder, AND I were to agree to all your assertions and observations about the defensive gameplay presented here - the simple fact remains: there is just too large a discrepancy between how precise one has to be on defense vs offense to be successful.Agree to disagree on this. I like that players need to be defensively skilled in order to be successful. With the offensive prowess of your average EA NHL player, it would absolutely suck if they could get up by a couple of goals and just use 'dumbed down' defensive mechanics to shut everything down and glide to victory.
It seems you'd rather stifle offense instead of making people more defensively responsible. I very much disagree with that.
The problem is that defense has every responsibility in the world to be perfect and use every mechanic and tool in the game at exactly the right time and with perfect analog positioning, when offense has a comically large room for error and has no responsibility to use anything properly. Take the clip I posted for example:
Couldn't you say that was a perfect time for the puck carrier to use the protect puck button to move the puck to a position where the puck wasn't so vulnerable to a poke check and shield the puck with his body? He just skated in a straight line with the puck out in the open within reach of a defender's stick.
@KidShowtime1867 wrote:
@IceLion68 wrote:Even if I were to cede your argument that defense in real life is (and in a videogame *should* be) harder, AND I were to agree to all your assertions and observations about the defensive gameplay presented here - the simple fact remains: there is just too large a discrepancy between how precise one has to be on defense vs offense to be successful.Agree to disagree on this. I like that players need to be defensively skilled in order to be successful. With the offensive prowess of your average EA NHL player, it would absolutely suck if they could get up by a couple of goals and just use 'dumbed down' defensive mechanics to shut everything down and glide to victory.
It seems you'd rather stifle offense instead of making people more defensively responsible. I very much disagree with that.
If you think that what I have put forward equates to people being able to not be defensively responsible then I am not even sure what to say - you are talking past me and have completely missed my point. But I am not terribly interested in going around in circles here with you anymore so we will leave it at that I guess
