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Re: Why dont you put your games on steam for PC

@stuey450f actually...nope. The deal is simple: 30% from the profits for Steam (no matter who you are: Activision, EA, Ubi, Bethesda, etc), 70% for the publisher (not for the dev, but for the publisher). From those 70% the publisher will pay the marketing plus other expenses. The poor dev it will be lucky if he gets 5% from those remaining 70%. And it's a big if.

And in case that you've missed what happened in the last two years, Steam isn't so great anymore. Lots of poor decisions, a lot of shovelware that basically kills the better games in search. As for the great review system...We are talking about reviews where devs and publishers are abused only because their budget did not allow the implementation of language x or y (chinese and russian customers, that just refuse to understand simple economics) or where the dev himself manipulates the reviews (happened so many times and is still happening).

Steam right now has no curation whatsoever. To be honest, if i would recommend a platform, that would be GOG. Right after it, i would say Origin. And then i would say Steam.

And also...ever had something to do with Steam support?! It's like talking to a brick wall. And the wall might actually listen and even be helpful. 

You say that you have 100 games there. I have around 1400. But if i have a choice, i go for GOG, for uPlay or Origin. 

There is a reason of why Bethesda developed a client (they do intend at some point to distribute their games directly through it and lose Steam). Warner is also working on their own client and 2k is thinking to use Rockstar Social Club as a starting point for a client. And last, Microsoft decided to sell any exclusives directly through their store. 

As you can see, most of the big guys are preparing to abandon Steam. Mostly because Valve can't curate the store properly anymore. And has zero interest to do it, as long as the money are flowing. Once more of the big publishers will retreat, Valve might change its tune. But until then, we have shovelware, poor customer support, restricted gifting, restricted gaming (if i travel abroad, there are good chances that i won't be allow to play the games from my account, due to the regional restrictions), no actual moderation on their boards, review manipulations, review bombing, suspicious devs/publishers (removed only when they are brought in front of a court of law) and other such niceties.

Also, i will point that Origin sells products from other publishers, too. GOG and Ubisoft's uPlay are also selling products from other publishers. 

My personal client top is:

1. GOG - simple, intuitive interface, curated reviews (so review bombing and manipulation isn't likely to happen), stable, not heavy on resources. Even better, the client is entirely optional

2. Origin - minimalistic, decent look, still not a resource hog

3. uPlay - see above

4. Steam - though the client is stable, there are a lot of other things that are wrong with it. I've already mentioned some and will add the fact that is a resource hog. 

So, bottom line: i am fine with things as they are. I will buy EA's products on Origin (at least i get support for their products and i won't have tot deal with Steam support), Ubisoft's games on uPlay (so i won't have to deal with two opened clients - Steam and uPlay), DRM-free games on GOG and only if something isn't available elsewhere, i get it on Steam.

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  • Ehkay's avatar
    Ehkay
    Seasoned Ace
    8 years ago

    @ivrognardSpeaks the truth

    Been with Steam for  years and currently its a cess pit. 

    Why would EA go cap in hand to that and lose out on 30% profit when they put the effort into creating Origin, makes zero sense.  Origin is a fine client and EA are listening to customers.  Unlike steam, and customers, who are wading thru sludge.

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    I think you are a bit deluded. I am picking Valve as my horse in this race. The answer to this is simple; the Steam client may have its issues, but it has been the king of the hill for a long time (with 33-38M users and rising) and will only continue to be so (whether big publishers leave or not). Why? One-word ubiquity, I can run Steam on Linux, Mac, or Windows, and this is the only client that does this natively (try doing that with any of the others).

    The client is also built around community, where Gog, Origin, and Uplay completely fail in this respect. When I am thinking of playing a game, the client I go to most is Steam (all the others sit closed until I am ready to use them). Furthermore, where are the reviews or open discussion on Origin, or Uplay, oh that's right absent, because they want ill-informed consumers.

    You pick GOG as your top client and in an ideal world, I would pick this one as well. Unfortunately, it suffers from a complete lack of features, considering GOG's client is nothing more than a Chrome skin (that's it), which they can't even get it to run on other systems, and let's not forget it lacks any sort of open community user outreach.

    You also mention curation, while Valve themselves may have a hands-off approach to curation there are plenty of curation groups or well known steam reviewers you can rely on for an opinion - again where is this on Origin or Uplay? Open gaming discussion is a good thing, but it is just not something that Uplay or Origin does well.

    As to Uplay and Origin selling other publisher's content - who really cares? The steam client has been around so long that they are a little late to the party, in my opinion (and I have around 5000 games on Steam).

    As to steam being a resource hog, I am not sure if this is even applicable, my client is using less than 200MB ram right now, with Origin (with a lot fewer features, running at just a tad below that value). Agree, disagree all I have to say is that hey almost 40 million users can't be wrong.
  • ivrognard's avatar
    ivrognard
    Hero+
    8 years ago

    @cipherhawx how about keeping the discussion civil?! Because i dare you to find a post where i am insulting you.


  • @ivrognard

    If you think my post was insulting in any way I think you may need to check it again. If you are referring to the the use of the word deluded, this is not an insult in any way shape or form. I think that your opinion is faulty and offered my own supported by factual information.
  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    7 years ago
    sir today is 8/1/2018 and steam is still dominating . idk if u r out of ur mind or not! origin has nothing like of steam and steam actuyally has a great curator system now with the new update its more fluent... wake up !
  • marvmcq's avatar
    marvmcq
    7 years ago

    @Sadat623 wrote:
    sir today is 8/1/2018 and steam is still dominating . idk if u r out of ur mind or not! origin has nothing like of steam and steam actuyally has a great curator system now with the new update its more fluent... wake up !

    Agree 100%. Steam is a powerhouse of a platform with a policy of charging 30% for the first $10M, 25% $10M - $50M, and 20% for everything above $50M. EA could easily afford this. Steam sales increase revenue as well as it opens the game up to consumers that would not have purchased the game full price. Even as far back as 2012, the senior VP claimed that sales cheapened the IP of the games...just a few days before Origin began their summer sale...

    To not use a sales platform like Steam and come up with a paltry excuse for a competitive platform, is to shoot oneself in the foot as evidenced by the whining that Battlefield didn't make as much money as EA wanted. EA's rate of growth has been on the decline since...08. Sure they're increasing in revenue, but once that growth index falls below zero, they'll start losing money. I give it 5 years unless they get their games back on Steam. The decision to leave steam to maximize profits for EA has bitten them in the * and they're paying for it now.

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