REMOVE MASTIFF ! OMG !
I swear ! I got killed by a guy level 60 ! plz it's a beginner ! MASTIFF requires no shot ! How to ruin a game with 12 bombs cuz of this noob gun ! get brain when you are doing some updates !
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@Ff3NiXx Did you ever complain about the PK? Cause that was 100 times worse than mastiff...
@SolitaryMassacrePK was BS 1.5 season before.
Time between 2 bullets is even more than mastiff BS. You can't escape with Q (for Wraith) because Q is not instant.
The only point is : there is TOO MANY Mastiff into the game. Dropping and can find 2/3 mastiffs per spot. It is stupid.
This is the main reason why all noobs are playing with that gun.
- @Ff3NiXx Honestly bro, don't get close when someone has a Mastiff. That is all I can say. I keep my distance and annihilate people with that gun... Only times I got wrecked is when I close the distance
I don't think the Mastiff is as good as the PK was... But the Mastiff skill ceiling is way lower than the PK, since its easier to get tags. This might make it a bit more common to see than a PK. I also feel like Mastiffs are literally everywhere on the ground...
- @SolitaryMassacre Dude i'm not playing to camp. I'm agressive. I run slide and boom. With R99 and Flatline pushing is a way more fun than camping the whole f* round.
- @Ff3NiXx your complaing about the Mastiff yet you run wraith and the R99. How ironic.
- @xx_Dante2k_xx Ok Pepega. I understand now. You are this kind of troller. Just could you stay bad and let good players alone ?
- @Ff3NiXx Haha, ok Pepega.
102 damages with 2 shots in less 1 sec ?
Still nothing for the MASTIFF there ?
With 2 R99 close range not time to spread and i'm dead ? ahah ?
- @Zamaha400 OK ok it cant ! I'm just facing mastiff i know what i'm talking about. Less than 1 sec you are dead (due to server *).
The Mastiff is overpowered but mainly because of its unstable damage output and the fact that it recently came out of the care package drop loot pool so it still needs some changes and yes I can agree that the mastiff is broken due to the 467 damage i dealt to a player (yes this really happend and it was a head shot) but eh mastiff is cool so I would love to keep it in the game.
AND AGAIN ! 102 in less than 1 sec at 15 meters ! Could you FIX this WEAPON !
- @arkstarlovesyou 467 damage in one shot?
I don’t know what happened, but that shouldn’t be possible at all. Even with a full headshot, it shouldn’t do that much damage, Recorded a death summary of the 10 last games:
Game 1: Mastiff
Game 2: Mastiff
Game 3: Spitfire
Game 4: Mastiff
Game 5: Volt
Game 6: Spitfire
Game 7: Mastiff
Game 8: Mastiff
Game 9: R301
Game 10: Mastiff
Conclusion: No need to learn how to aim, just run triple mastiff and get up close. Easy dub every time 🙂
Game 11: Mastiff
Game 12: Mastiff
Im calling quits for season 7 now until they get that cancer out of floor loot.
do you even consider adjusting your play?
if you think mastiff is very good and die to it constantly, MAYBE dont get too close?
the weapon is literally designed to burst you down at close range.
if you cant deal with it: dont let them come close.
soften them up with sniper rifles but do not play R99 + Flatline or something along those lines.
@Triumphkutter wrote:do you even consider adjusting your play?
if you think mastiff is very good and die to it constantly, MAYBE dont get too close?
the weapon is literally designed to burst you down at close range.
if you cant deal with it: dont let them come close.
soften them up with sniper rifles but do not play R99 + Flatline or something along those lines.
Didn`t you read like the 10 previous post mentioning exactly this ? Its annoying to read the same thing over and over again.
Your point doesn`t make sense at all.
Mastiff is broken. Its the weapon that allows you to kill way highly skilled player than you, even tho you are terrible and don`t move at all, you can still kill him, even tho he is done everything he needs to do.
And to not repeat the same stuff again i will just quote myself:
"I will add that, you can`t tell right at the moment, what weapons your opponent haves. So how can i decide where to take the fight, if i don`t know what weapons he have. The time he swap weapons, you can`t do a ......
And Mastiff range is ridiculous."
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And lastly on that topic. Yesterday or like 2 days ago, there was 1vs1 Pro/Streamers tournament. Guess what the weapons was, Wingman + Mastiff. Funny part is people that was obviously worst, are trying to spam with the mastiff, and jiggle peeking and hiding. It was so obvious, and at the chat we were talking exactly at this. That the guy is just worst and trying to compensate by using a broken gun. This was everyone opinion, but it was so obvious. I mean some of the guys were straight up shooting with the Mastiff as a first, not even using the Wingman. This tells you the whole story.
@LordloshBang The video you showed does imply that it can be used at range but the player in the video failed each time. Most of his mid range shots hit for 13, 14 or 28 damage wish is unimpressive. The fact that he attempted to use it at that range does imply that it can be done but its inconsistent at best.
This is obvious but you don't have to anticipate what weapon your opponent is using. Stick to the strengths of your weapons and you wont have an issue unless your opponent has a stronger weapon at your chosen range. Combat is more fluid then this so it's an annoying topic to discuss.
Lastly, yeah a lower skilled player used a Mastiff over a Wingman. They'd likely use an alternator over one too since the Wingman is a high skill gun. That says less about how OP the Mastiff may or not be and more about how difficult the Wingman is to use.
@Zamaha400 wrote:@LordloshBang The video you showed does imply that it can be used at range but the player in the video failed each time. Most of his mid range shots hit for 13, 14 or 28 damage wish is unimpressive. The fact that he attempted to use it at that range does imply that it can be done but its inconsistent at best.
This is obvious but you don't have to anticipate what weapon your opponent is using. Stick to the strengths of your weapons and you wont have an issue unless your opponent has a stronger weapon at your chosen range. Combat is more fluid then this so it's an annoying topic to discuss.
Lastly, yeah a lower skilled player used a Mastiff over a Wingman. They'd likely use an alternator over one too since the Wingman is a high skill gun. That says less about how OP the Mastiff may or not be and more about how difficult the Wingman is to use.
I think it was quite obvious Hal was trolling on that video and he was spamming with the Mastiff, without even trying.
I have previously showed a video of Hal and many mores with a very big range, and how Mastiff is shooting for 52 damage.
Here is the image i root especially for you:
In this situation Hal hit 52 damage in a ridiculous range.
Everyone who are not biased and play this game enough, know Mastiff can take you down in a range, that it shouldn`t do even hit you.
And here where it comes the problem. That no skill players, that are hard to aim with a gun, and their recoil kicks and they can`t kill you, while you are running, they just spam with the Mastiff and you are killed in a big distance with a shotgun, while running away. Here where it comes the problem, as you see in the Hal video, he was just spamming with, without even trying. And this happen, because of the big spread of the mastiff. You got like 5cm crosshair, and even my great-grandmother(let her rest in peace) will be able to take them down.
I`m playing Bangalore. I`m a master in escaping tight situation. And 99% of the time when i`m low HP and they are aiming with a R99, Flatline or R301, they can`t kill me, cause i know how to move and make them miss in a distance. In 99% in the same situation, doing the same thing i die to a Mastiff, cause of its wide spread range.
Weaving left-right, doing all the possible stuff, ain`t helping.
As far as the suggestion to stick at distance, this is not how the game works. This ain`t Warzone. Shotgun weapons should be exclusively strong in super close range. They should not be effective at all lets say in a SMG range, and be zero effective in AR range.
Eva8 is like that, its effective exclusively in short range(still way way weaker than Mastiff), and do exactly zero at any different range than close one.
Mastiff needs to be the same.
And lastly did you even read? It was a pro 1vs1 tournament.
Mastiff is broken, since it was introduced to ground loot. Every pro and decent player knows its super OP. Everyone admits it, just a low tier player don`t want, cause its their tool to play this game semi-effectively.
- @LordloshBang I am quite surprise that this thread is still on fire that many people argue if mastiff needs a nerf. I think the last time I reply to this is about half a year ago.
The last balance change makes this gun cannot hit 52 in a ~30m range (at least I can't find an angle to hit), but it still got an issue that it is instant-dead weapon against no shield player and it really kills other people in 2 shots (except with red shield or those fat guys).
@BrainDeadWraiths I think you are wrong. R99 needs ~1s to kill a purple shield guy (actually it is >1s, but I am too lazy to recalculate the time). Mastiff definitely needs <1s to kill in the same situation as 1st shot doesn't need to pre-fire (like the 0.5s heat time of havoc). (I think I have calculated wrong in the previous post, but it definitely needs <1s)
This assumes that all bullets hit for R99 and mastiff, if you miss some of the shots. The punishment for R99 is heavier as there is not much spare bullets for you to waste before changing a mag. This does not apply to mastiff as it got 6 shots at once.
Don't tell me you need to run if you see a mastiff player. Everyone knows that, but how do you run away from them? If you run straight, you will be lasered by anyone or even the one who chase you, he can use the other weapon to kill you fast. In the worst case he only has mastiff, he can still deal damage to you and you can't fight (cause you are ONLY running away from him, you can't do anything to help). If you choose fight with him or running not straightly(like zig-zag, just don't run straight) or doing these 2 things together, you will lose this fight as he can (and he should) shorten the distance between you and him, and you will take >80 damage each shot. You may argue that you have teammates, but he has his teammates too. In a 1v1 situation, you really can't win the fight unless you are ~100m away from him and there is nothing between this 100m.
Hence, I wonder if the next patch will get some changes on mastiff again. @Xx__Miku831__xX Too tired to read the previous page at the moment. Obviously you can't turn and run away from a Mastiff user mid fight since he can just switch to his secondary weapon and pursue you. It's disrespectful to imply that's possible like it's disrespectful to suggest the Mastiff is a mid-range threat.
It does/did more damage than it should at that range but so does nearly every other weapon so it seemed dishonest and insulting to focus on that. R-99, Volt, Wingman being the primary weapons that ignore their theoretical range which some members of the community accepts because it takes some degree of skill. Not much skill for 2 of those guns to be honest.
I've maintained that shotguns should dominate at close range but I'm open to the idea that the Mastiff does a little to well here. Instead of focusing on that we've derailed into a sniper Mastiff debate which is honestly laughable to me.
As @MartimRosat mentions above the problem can be solved by tweaking or removing the shotgun bolt. Weakening it at all ranges while maintaining high damage close range shots.
Eva8 does way lower damage in QC and it does zero damage at the range Mastiff hits you for 50+ damage.
That speaks for itself.
The easiest thing for them to do is to put it in the care package, that gun is comparable with the kraber and while the kraber is OP, it doesnt ruin gameplay and thats because there can only be one or two on the map at a time. I could see people being worried about the PK being on the ground again but i feel like that weapon would cause less issues than the mastiff simply off the fact that it needs to be upgraded. Its like the R-99 and the prowler, they're not OP but they're in the care package sometimes (which is kind of lame imo). The only thing that makes those guns so great when in the care package is that they're fully upgraded and you dont need to hold ammo for them.
Just sad... third party is already annoying, but with mastiff... they rush in and there is just no way out.
Just cause ~ 100 damage with one hit ... clearly belongs in the Care Package, as quickly as possible, together with Aim Assist, the game just get boring because everyone simply takes advantage of this!@Tom0ve
Aim assist needs to be removed, if not all together then at least from PC servers (no matter what platform you're on, in PC servers you shouldnt have it)@Oyasumlpunpun Whoa man you've missed some changes. The Peacekeeper and Triple Take now come with the choke built in so the PK only needs a bolt like the Mastiff. The Devotion no longer needs a turbo charger to be effective but it helps. The Havoc still needs one so that's unchanged.
The Mastiff only has two notable advantages over the PK. The ability to fire after reloading one shell and a faster firing rate once it has a purple bolt.
The PK has superior range. Higher damage shots at range. Easier to use since its equally as accurate hip fired as it was ADS unless M/KB has some kind of difficulty with hipfiring that I'm unaware of?
Aim Assist is an odd thing to bring into the conversation though. Really just seems like you're derailing the topic while calling for anti Aim Assist players to support you.
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