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Battlefield Core Feedback - Maps - Feedback Thread


We have just posted an update on our current design direction for Battlefield 2042 Maps. Read the full update, here.


In this update on map design we've outlined several questions for you on where we'd appreciate hearing your feedback. We first encourage you to read the original post in full so you have the proper context. We've also listed all of the questions posed in our blog today, in this thread, with the intent for you to take what's posted there as a thought starter for us to have an open discussion on this first topic around our existing maps.

Please do feel free to jump in with your thoughts and feedback.

QUESTIONS FROM THE CORE FEEDBACK POST

  • Which maps presently provide a poor opening experience because of the location of the Base Spawn?

  • Which maps are making it harder to get back into the fight in an all cap scenario?

  • How do you feel about the current balance between Infantry and Vehicles in Breakthrough?

  • Have you played 64 player Breakthrough, and do you feel that this is the better way to experience the mode?

  • On which maps and Flags do you see the most immediate need for more line of sight blockers?

  • Do you have specific areas on maps that currently stand out to you as lacking cover?

  • Do you have thoughts on how we can better define traveling paths between objectives to keep combat focused?

  • Do you see improvement opportunities to make it easier to understand how to get from one objective to the next?

We invite you to share your thoughts, feelings and responses with us not just on these topics, but anything else you feel is related as well. We’ll of course also be reading your comments across multiple hubs of community such as Discord, Reddit, and Social Media. If you have posted your thoughts on another platform, don't be shy to link to them here so that we've seen them.

Please represent your thoughts and feelings based on your experience, preferences, and expectations for our future Updates. We ask you to be respectful of those who are taking the time to share their feedback, and to be mindful of our Forum Rules. Our moderation team will be active throughout the thread to help keep the conversation focused on our topic, and those seeking to be disruptive to that goal will be appropriately sanctioned.

Our thanks to all of you for your participation.

Straatford // @Straatford87

Battlefield Community Manager

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We have just posted an update on our current design direction for Battlefield 2042 Maps. Read the full update, here.

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In this update on map design we've outlined several questions for you on where we'd appreciate hearing your feedback. We first encourage you to read the original post in full so you have the proper context. We've also listed all of the questions posed in our blog today, in this thread, with the intent for you to take what's posted there as a thought starter for us to have an open discussion on this first topic around our existing maps.

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Please do feel free to jump in with your thoughts and feedback.

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We invite you to share your thoughts, feelings and responses with us not just on these topics, but anything else you feel is related as well. We’ll of course also be reading your comments across multiple hubs of community such as Discord, Reddit, and Social Media. If you have posted your thoughts on another platform, don't be shy to link to them here so that we've seen them.

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Please represent your thoughts and feelings based on your experience, preferences, and expectations for our future Updates. We ask you to be respectful of those who are taking the time to share their feedback, and to be mindful of our Forum Rules. Our moderation team will be active throughout the thread to help keep the conversation focused on our topic, and those seeking to be disruptive to that goal will be appropriately sanctioned.

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Our thanks to all of you for your participation.

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First off there is zero cover or even paths to take from objective to objective. These maps are set up to run across massive fields from objective to objective. You guys need to make maps like battlefield 1 and Battlefield 5 have. With train and destroyed vehicles and trees and things that you can use is cover and to obscure your movement. The capture zones are extremely small and tight on this new game why did we add more people but make the capture zones smaller that doesn't make any sense in Battlefield 1 and Battlefield 5 you have moments every match where you have enemies somewhere on the objective and you have to clear the objective It's an actual fight for that area not just sprinting take it super quick and leave You can't even position yourself on these objectives because they're so small people come sprinting on it and they just kill you instantly because there's nowhere to hide or even set up except for like the four corners that exist on the flag It's ridiculous. On top of that there's no map flow from objective to objective and I blame that partially on the new sectors and I'm the fact that these objectives are so far apart everyone battles in one sector and then there's snipers and small battles going on sometimes that other objectives most of the time not. Vehicles overpower any infantry simply because infantry has no means of avoiding them if you're trying to move from one objective to the next as an infantry soldier you're just out in the wide open to be eaten alive. There's no team play on this game without coms and without actually having classes it's just a giant * show. Movement is ridiculous should have just went with Battlefield 5 or Battlefield 1 movement style The amount of lacking content poor graphics horrible sound effects horrible character design zero factions no faction uniforms. Battlefield 5 had the best faction and character customization of any Battlefield game made to date why would you guys go backwards on such a great setup. Honestly you guys should have just taken the Battlefield 5 engine the previous frostbite engine and just did a copy and paste and made it modern It would have been well received compared to this game that you guys gave us. This game should have been delayed for another 2 years It's not even 1/3 done You guys call this an alpha it's not even beta The game is sad and you guys took so many steps backwards just go play Battlefield 1 or Battlefield 5 look at the immersiveness the sound effects the graphics The way the characters interact with each other and interact with their surroundings the way sounds refer above buildings the way explosions and gunshots and rounds flying by look and sound. All I hope is that Battlefield 2042 is not the end of Battlefield franchise because this is one of my favorite running franchises of all time I'd prefer if you guys went back to actual more realistic movement like Battlefield 1 and whatnot even the bad companies you guys keep making everything more and more arcade like copying all the other lame shooters like call of duty. The battlefield croud is generally a more mature crowd looking for something between milsim and arcade gameplay. Again if you want to make a good game look at battlefield 1 and Battlefield 5 and make it modern. 

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This would solve the base spawn for me.

As for map design I’ll stick to kaleidoscope specifically:

Trees. It’s a park we need a lot more trees. In central parks there are walkways lined with trees. This will cover a lot of line of site for me on this map specifically.

One thing missing in this discussion is a BIG deal to everyone. DESTRUCTION. It just feels non existent to us. If there was a way to bring some of that in it would improve the maps dynamically I feel.

Visual wise, this goes for every map, if the state of the world is that it is in a state of extreme disarray and climate change, I feel everything should be a bit more grungy and unorganized/apocalyptic feeling. As of right now it looks like the grounds keeper is still top notch and having no climate or “war” problems.



And just a general pet peeve of mine….the skyscrapers look like generic polygons with a texture laid over. I don’t know what you can do to change it but it stood out to me the first day I played it.

Hope this makes sense. GG on the communication!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2022-03-02T10:09:11.608-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-03-02T10:09:11.608-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":727},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":1,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:1349829":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1349829","uid":1349829,"login":"-NSG-Anderson_D","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-04-16T17:43:55.519-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1721239509000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:1349829"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6970103":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6970103","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6970103":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1349829"},"id":"message:6970103","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6969950/message:6970103","revisionNum":1,"uid":6970103,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:6969950"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6969950"},"subject":"Re: Battlefield Core Feedback - Maps - Feedback Thread","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6970103"},"body":"@Straatford87 I would easily trade any tornado in this game for levolution and destruction, one of the biggest disappointments of my life as a gamer was not being able to knock down even a building in kaleidoscope or hourglass, in addition to the almost non-existent destruction in the rest of the game. I wanted to understand the point of this game not having a campaign if all the multiplayer feels like a throwback.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2022-03-02T10:10:00.327-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2022-03-02T10:10:00.327-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":711},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:1319347":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1319347","uid":1319347,"login":"GokhMachine","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2020-09-09T14:17:51.716-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1721239591000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:1319347"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:6970104":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:6970104","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:6970104":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1319347"},"id":"message:6970104","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:battlefield-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en/message:6969950/message:6970104","revisionNum":1,"uid":6970104,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:battlefield-2042-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:6969950"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:6969950"},"subject":"Re: Battlefield Core Feedback - Maps - Feedback Thread","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:6970104"},"body":"

@Straatford87Добавить возможность вызывать квадроцикры, мотоциклы через планшет. И не пару штук а штук 15 что бы они всегда были доступны! И время их самоуничтожения во время простоя 2 минуты. Увеличить количество отряда до 8 человек. Ну что сложного? Зачем эта тонна ваших написанных размышлений? Уже давно если бы внесли это, можно было бы нормально играть. Потом бы уже про карты думали с дизайнерами и сообществом!

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Add the ability to call ATVs, motorcycles through the tablet. And not a couple of pieces, but 15 pieces so that they are always available! And the time of their self-destruction during downtime is 2 minutes. Increase the number of squad up to 8 people. Well, what's difficult? Why this ton of your written reflections? For a long time, if they had made this, it would have been possible to play normally. Then we would have thought about the cards with the designers and the community!

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Which maps presently provide a poor opening experience because of the location of the Base Spawn?

The attacking spawn on Kaleidoscope in Breakthrough offers a really brutal experience. The front line consists solely of the road between it and the street. A good change would be to extend the front line up to the grass verge, just to deter vehicles.

 

How do you feel about the current balance between Infantry and Vehicles in Breakthrough?

I think that maps such as Orbital are heavily dominated by vehicles in both ground and air. Kaleidoscope too, as noted above. Hourglass is and Breakaway are inverse examples where I think vehicles actually struggle to get traction - Helicopters are very easily taken down and forced into hiding too often (Less due to the Wildcat and more due to AA launchers being so readily available)

Have you played 64 player Breakthrough, and do you feel that this is the better way to experience the mode?

I think 64 player Breathrough is a decent balance of players - it doesn't feel too crowded, but does seem a bit sparse. If an equilibrium was reached at perhaps 96 players, it would be a decent plateau.

Do you have specific areas on maps that currently stand out to you as lacking cover?

I think the left spawn on Discarded (US on Conquest, Russia on Breakthrough) could use more cover such as trenches or craters, as the attacking players are easy pickings for snipers who can set up at the A objectives. It's a similar matter for the US Spawn on Renewal (The same in both modes). Snipers camping on the towers can make easy pickings of the infantry.

Do you have thoughts on how we can better define traveling paths between objectives to keep combat focused?

I think the issue lies in that, due to the scale of maps, people essentially go in straight lines between objectives. There's little in the way combat between them. And it leaves other areas unexplored and underutilized. Breakthrough doesn't suffer this because the objectives are, of course, linear. For Conquest, a good idea would be to offer advantageous positions for players to hold for sniping, LMG cover fire, anti armour/air or general firefights. These would encourage players to hold them to offer support teammates between objectives and likewise encourage players to clear them out when held by the enemy. A good example of existing ones are the wall on Renewal and Shipping cranes on Manifest.

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RIP Battlefield, all of these issues were identified months ago and it genuinely feels like there is a team of about 6 people working on the game at this point. These posts mean absolutely nothing and in my opinion is just to buy the team some time so the 6 people who are still working on the game can actually do something. Have you guys shifted everyone to a new game or something or is it because the initial launch days sales and pre orders were good that you are satisfied to roll over and let this game die. Reading the patch notes is like a slap in the face to us Battlefield fans, months for a simple scoreboard?? And then a few fixes here and there? It’s just not good enough

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Be careful who you pay attention to, when it comes to this game most people just like to complain when they don't play it anyway. A lot of it has to do with the new maps being too basic, period. I was looking forward to the 128p matches most of all and now it seems like a crapshoot of the random things people say will be better. For Portal smaller sized games are fine but 16v16 is a bit watered down for modern BF. This, that, and the other can probably be smoothed out a little too but I would say if it's at all possible add in buildings and alternate routes to move in that aren't wide open land on the new maps. Might as well add the BF4 maps to Portal as well, those are better for more players.

*The condor vehicle itself would be better used if it was only a transport vehicle, as in say it could carry 8 passengers to drop off and swoop in and out as opposed to having 2 gunners etc. It's already so slow and easy to hit you'd be better off trying to move people with it than trying to use it to attack.

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As there are a lot of very good posts about lack of cover I won't comment on that - but what really needs to be adressed regardless of the map are objectives when they are \"behind\" each other. I.e. Breakthrough or Rush, if you have two points behind each other, there is (usually) only one frontline. Please take an example of previous battlefield titles or other games where there is a mode with two objectives to conquer: They usually have their own frontline + multiple ways to flank as attacker or defender.

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I'll reply as things come to mind:

Kaleidoscope:
Both Breakthrough and Conquest
Roofs on periphery of map are accessible via air, and are too good for camping/sniping.

Problem is that for anyone trying to counter them, the snipers have a very minimal amount of their bodies exposed and even sniper rifles aren't necessarily accurate enough to get them at the ranges involved. Players trying to counter those snipers are fully exposed. The snipers can retreat back a bit and heal or do whatever to avoid counter-fire.

Sniping down on to those buildings from one of the objective buildings is also not consistently able to eliminate them.

Make the roof of the datacenter accessible from the inside, and not just an air drop.

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Hi everyone,

\n\n

Thanks again for providing your feedback around Map Design.

\n\n

It's been a week since we posted this feedback request to you. That means we'll now close this thread so we can start compiling all your thoughts and comments. Again, we really appreciate that you've taken the time to have this discussion with us.

\n\n

Once we're done reading through everything, we'll follow-up with what we've learned and next steps.

\n\n

Thank you,

\n\n

//Straatford / @Straatford87 

\n

Battlefield Community Manager

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