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- @David6479 If they didn't like it, they should have asked for a refund within the window in which a refund was offered. Asking for it now, after months of playing it (the overwhelming majority of the people asking for refunds), is opportunism--attempting to get the game for free--after it's played-out for them and they're now ready to move on to something new.
I did not buy it on Day One, because I wanted to evaluate it, first. I played the beta. I watched videos and read reviews. I asked friends who played it for their honest evaluations, and I had an opportunity to personally play it for several hours, before making a decision. In the end, I did not let some preorder bonuses, or a desire to get the jump on others with XP and unlocks, to sway my buying decision. I decided not to spend my money on it--and anyone else could have done exactly what I did.
No one at EA or DICE forced a single person to buy their product; people did it voluntarily, of their own free will. If those people did not research their decision, *before* making their purchase, they have no one to blame but themselves, and to ask for a refund this late is just a joke to me.
Gamers may want to familiarize themselves with the term "Caveat Emptor" (buyer beware), and make appropriate changes in their buying habits, for the future: https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/other/caveat-emptor-buyer-beware/ - BR-DuaneDibbley4 years agoSeasoned Ace@ChugKendall
"No one at EA or DICE forced a single person to buy their product; people did it voluntarily, of their own free will."
They did so, but under false pretenses and after being lied to repeatedly. About the state of the game (ahead of schedule) about the fact that the beta was 'months old' etc. Most of the players pre-ordered after watching the trailer that showed a COMPLETELY different game from what was being delivered. I guess you would have to agree with that statement. And for basically none of the players that pre-ordered a refund is (or ever was) possible, given EAs terms for that because they they count the day of purchase (pre-order) and from that point on the 14 days are counting. @ChugKendall Why is it that over the years I always read "No one forced you to buy it" excuse. I am always for the consumer or the working man, anyone who defends big company's or corporations in regards to falsely promoting products or basically lying in general to make a Christmas cash grab has in my opinion more money than sense if you can excuse those actions.
The game is riddled with bugs, the lore changed suddenly during promotion and the updates are being pushed back to god knows when. I have always tried to be optimistic about the game but even the developers want this game to disappear overnight and to me that sends alarm bells ringing. The bare minimum will be done to this for legal reasons.
You can quote as many fancy Latin phrases all you want, it wont change anything. You're the typical poster boy that these company's want to hear in times like this.
@ChugKendall The argument about the refund window is weak, as it's extremely short (I believe in some plataforms you can't ask for a refund if you've played for more than 2 hours). Also, many people knew/expected some bugs would've been repaired over time and tried to stay optimistic about the game's development. However, it's very hard to stay optimistic when EA/DICE gives little to no feedback to the community. Basically, everyone bought a faulty product where fixes were promised, but so far, nothing was done. And now we can't even ask for a refund because we're out of the refund window. Unfortunately, there is no warranty for games, which would've helped a lot...
By no means I want to trash the game or the devs. The game IS fun, although I agree it's not really a "Battlefield game" and there is a lot of fixing to do. But I believe EA/DICE should either be more clear on the roadmap about the game's development/fix, or just straight up admit failure and allow everyone (who wants to) to get a refund. If I knew what to expect on the future of this game, I would consider waiting for the fixes to come and keep playing.
- @NeoHesper @David6479 @DuaneDibbley
Again, if people had done their homework, instead of jumping on preorder bonuses, they could have avoided all of this turmoil. I did it. Why couldn't others do it? It wasn't difficult.
Was there something keeping them from waiting and investigating? No, not a thing. They had no patience and had to have it, and they paid the price for a lackluster product.
If they were concerned about "false advertising," that's just another reason to wait and investigate! There are a good number of people out there who are playing, supporting and enjoying the game, so that isn't in your favor, either. How is it "false advertising" when those people feel that they pretty much got what they wanted and expected?
Yes, it sucks, and we all have different likes and expectations, so take some personal responsibility for failure and admit you made a poor buying decision--and vow to never do it again! - BR-DuaneDibbley4 years agoSeasoned Ace
By your reasoning I could sell you a car that I promise runs 300 km/h when in reality it only drives 100 km/h. And then, when ask me to fix it and I say: "Not now, but maybe in 8-9 months."
Do you feel you would have a right to get your money back or do you would accept the blame and say to yourself, "OK, you are right. It's on me, because I made a poor buying decision".
I know, not the best analogy, but I guess you get the point.
@ChugKendall What is this? an episode of Sherlock Holmes or Hercurle Poirot! What's with all this investigating. What about the parents who bought the game for their kids at Christmas or the youngster who just wanted a good game to play, they shouldn't have to "investigate" anything they only want a working game.
If I did what you say to do I would get nowhere in life, "investigating" as you say is for getting a Mortgage or buying a car, not a £70 game that is dead on arrival.
Dice/EA I'm sure all got paid well for what they all did, is it not too much to ask that they deliver on what they promised, well come to think of it, IT IS.
- UP_Hawxxeye4 years agoLegend
@David6479 wrote:@ChugKendallWhat about the parents who bought the game for their kids at Christmas or the youngster who just wanted a good game to play, they shouldn't have to "investigate" anything they only want a working game.
These parents already failed to even look at the age rating then.
@UP_Hawxxeye Well I can't argue with that one, I'll change it to family member then. It really makes no difference here as its bought as a gift.
- UP_Hawxxeye4 years agoLegend
@David6479
The problem at the end is that anyone who has been a savvy battlefield player should had known that a modern battlefield title arriving in a playable enough state is the exception instead of the rule.
While the state of this game is regretful and contemptible, it should not had been in any way unexpected for all first time players of battlefield.I absolutely agree that there need to be laws that protect the buyers from games that seem to come 1 year before they are ready to be sold.
But as things are right now, EA can legally keep all the money and all those who regret their purchase can do is to keep shaming them and not buy from them again.
@UP_Hawxxeye I just know that there are many, many gamers out there that saved hard for this game only to find they have wasted money they could have used for something else. I just didn't like the idea of them being called "Opportunists" when clearly they have fell for in my opinion a Christmas cash grab.
- UP_Hawxxeye4 years agoLegend@David6479
Yes it is absolutely a Christmas cash grab.
The reason I bought the game early is that I knew that no matter how it turned out it would still be a social outlet for me and my platoon mates which it was. I am on 314 hours now.
IF I was solo without a platoon, I would even now be be still been waiting for the game to be fixed before buying it
The signs were clear as day that this game would had been a disaster at least within its first year based on precedent by both DICE and EA
@ChugKendall wrote:
Asking for it now, after months of playing it (the overwhelming majority of the people asking for refunds)What are you basing this claim on?
If Steam player statistics are a good indicator for the other platforms, people playing this game more than halved within just 10 days of release!
It seems that the overwhelming majority of people asking for refunds are likely those who stopped playing back in November, the same month the game was released.
- @DuaneDibbley If I didn't take that car for a test drive, to prove your ridiculous claim, I'm the idiot for believing you and throwing my money away.
Do you not try on shoes before you buy? How much harder is it to check out a game before you buy it? No excuse. - @David6479 If you don't feel that being an informed consumer is important, with everything you pay for, you deserve everything you get.
- @TheStraightRazor If people were disappointed, at the beginning, refunds were available--and several people I know of got them. The opportunity was there, but most players didn't ask for one.
The people who are posting these refund demands, now, are ones who are saying that they've played it all this time (for months), it hasn't gotten better, fixes aren't good enough, snipers suck, blah, blah. They are clearly admitting their positions, and this board is full of those posts, for evidence. So the overwhelming majority of those asking for refunds, that you're referring to, are only of those here that are vocal in the forums and not those of the currently 174,000 who signed the petition or the 96% of Steam players who stopped playing?
I don't doubt that people found here in these forums played it regularly and are now asking for a refund, but lots of people stopped playing it, have asked for refunds and continue to ask for a refund.
Also, some people wanted to wait for the game to get better and it's only become worse.
@ChugKendall The difference between me and you is I do it when it counts and I always win in the end. Your talking as If I'm asking for the refund, that's how little you know. I've had the game since pre order with over 100hrs played and I will not be asking for any refund. Like I said I'm always on the side of the consumer and fully support anyone who feels scammed, especially at Christmas time!
- @David6479 With all due respect, I really am unconcerned with whether or not you personally are asking for a refund. You commented on your position, and I gave you mine. No harm, no foul.
I actually enjoy having intelligent debates. If someone can show me a better way on something, I'm down. But with this, I don't see anyone ever changing my point of view. It's too far out to be asking for a refund.
I am on the side of the consumer when it is warranted, but this topic just feels like someone eating all but the last bite of a steak and then telling the restaurant manager that they weren't happy with it, trying to get a free meal. Yeah, not gonna fly.
And don't get the wrong idea; I have beaten up on EA & DICE, quite a bit, too. I have given them some pretty strong feedback on how disappointed I've been with 2042. - F1re774 years agoSeasoned Rookie
They buttered us up good into thinking this game was going to be epic.
- @F1re77 Its oUr FaULt for believing the hype!
Battlefield 2042 is so bad that I will not buy anymore EA games. Its the worst game I’ve ever played.
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