Forum Discussion

Re: EA/DICE respond to backlash

I'm pretty sure we are looking at an MVP. Folk need to chill out or walk away if they are finding the journey too stressful.

    Definition

A minimum viable product (MVP) is a concept from Lean Startup that stresses the impact of learning in new product development. Eric Ries, defined an MVP as that version of a new product which allows a team to collect the maximum amount of validated learning about customers with the least effort. This validated learning comes in the form of whether your customers will actually purchase your product.

A key premise behind the idea of MVP is that you produce an actual product (which may be no more than a landing page, or a service with an appearance of automation, but which is fully manual behind the scenes) that you can offer to customers and observe their actual behavior with the product or service. Seeing what people actually do with respect to a product is much more reliable than asking people what they would do.


Expected Benefits

The primary benefit of an MVP is you can gain understanding about your customers’ interest in your product without fully developing the product. The sooner you can find out whether your product will appeal to customers, the less effort and expense you spend on a product that will not succeed in the market.


Common Pitfalls

Teams use the term MVP, but don’t fully understand its intended use or meaning. Often this lack of understanding manifests in believing that an MVP is the smallest amount of functionality they can deliver, without the additional criteria of being sufficient to learn about the business viability of the product.

Teams may also confuse an MVP–which has a focus on learning–for a Minimum Marketable Feature (MMF) or Minimum Marketable Product (MMP)–which has a focus on earning. There’s not too much harm in this unless the team becomes too focused on delivering something without considering whether it is the right something that satisfies customer’s needs.

Teams stress the minimum part of MVP to the exclusion of the viable part. The product delivered is not sufficient quality to provide an accurate assessment of whether customers will use the product.

Teams deliver what they consider an MVP, and then do not do any further changes to that product, regardless of feedback they receive about it.


Potential Costs

Proper use of an MVP means that a team may dramatically change a product that they deliver to their customers or abandon the product together based on feedback they receive from their customers. The minimum aspect of MVP encourages teams to do the least amount of work possible to useful feedback (Eric Ries refers to this as validated learning) which helps them avoid working on a product that no one wants.

11 Replies

  • m3lkjug's avatar
    m3lkjug
    4 years ago

    I don't think DICE needs a minimum viable product approach to see how a battlefield game works. If they don't know how BF players use the product by now then a MVP won't help them. 

    It's a BR game that switched into a BF game somewhere in the dev cycle that EA forced out before Christmas. 

    I'll reinstall it if it ever turns into a real BF game. 

  • I had to work Christmas eve, the day after and new years day.  I also work a much more physical job then sitting in a chair for hours on end.  Must be nice to have weeks off at a time

  • filthy_vegans's avatar
    filthy_vegans
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @fragnstein wrote:

    I had to work Christmas eve, the day after and new years day.  I also work a much more physical job then sitting in a chair for hours on end.  Must be nice to have weeks off at a time


    It is.

  • TTZ_Dipsy's avatar
    TTZ_Dipsy
    Legend
    4 years ago

    I'm not quite sure why people are hating this tweet so much? Yes, the game needed at least a few months, but DICE always goes on vacation at this time and while these features should have indeed been here at launch in my opinion, the things people want can't just be pulled out of thin air in a week.
    Something as simple as creating a new gun skin can take forever the way they need to bounce information off of eachother so we unfortunately just need to hang tight for the time being.


  • @TTZ_Dipsy wrote:

    I'm not quite sure why people are hating this tweat so much? Yes, the game needed at least a few months, but DICE always goes on vacation at this time and while these features should have indeed been here at launch in my opinion, the things people want can't just be pulled out of thin air in a week.
    Something as simple as creating a new gun skin can take forever the way they need to bounce information off of eachother so we unfortunately just need to hang tight for the time being


    Problem is everyone all of the sudden became programmers overnight and have trivialized the process.

  • Man_iLoveFishing's avatar
    Man_iLoveFishing
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @TTZ_Dipsy There you go, we released broken or a game in unknown stage almost just before holidays, charged for early access and after 3 patches critical bugs still exists, going on vacation and wonder why are players full of hate?

    1. Don't sell unfinished product.
    2. Before going in quiet mode, at least should inform to customers something. It's freaking wrong to be in silence and keep customers waiting. Habits...
  • trip1ex's avatar
    trip1ex
    4 years ago

    @Man_iLoveFishing wrote:
    @TTZ_DipsyThere you go, we released broken or a game in unknown stage almost just before holidays, charged for early access and after 3 patches critical bugs still exists, going on vacation and wonder why are players full of hate?

    1. Don't sell unfinished product.
    2. Before going in quiet mode, at least should inform to customers something. It's freaking wrong to be in silence and keep customers waiting. Habits...

    Yet you keep buying the game at launch?!?!??

    you can only blame yourself.

    Why do they need to hold your hand and tell you every little fix and content drop that is going  to come out for the year or two ahead?  What good is that going to do you? 

    Their communication didn't work for you with the launch of the game.  Why would it work now?    Why would you want to set yourself up for disappointment once again when some of their content and fixes are delayed or not as good as you could imagine them to be?  Why would you suddenly take their word now when you seemingly say that you took their word before the game came out that it was going to everything you wanted it to be?

    Do you not also recall they always patch and add content to their BF games, for a good ~18 months after launch?  Do you too have amnesia?  

    Why are so many here coming down with amnesia?    

  • Man_iLoveFishing's avatar
    Man_iLoveFishing
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @trip1ex Yes I did because when beta came, they said it's months old build, not actual game, they will gather information of beta and "most bugs will be fixed in released version". So suddenly it's my fault?
  • trip1ex's avatar
    trip1ex
    4 years ago

    @Man_iLoveFishing wrote:
    @trip1exYes I did because when beta came, they said it's months old build, not actual game, they will gather information of beta and "most bugs will be fixed in released version". So suddenly it's my fault?

    Yes it's your fault.  Unless you want to me to believe you fell off the turnip truck yesterday.  

  • Man_iLoveFishing's avatar
    Man_iLoveFishing
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @trip1exExactly how it's my fault? I played 132 hours hoping that major bugs will be fixed IN 3 PATCHES. I even gave some time and love. What the hell? Give me that good reason so I'd understand?

    Edit: @VBALL_MVP Ferrari with no engine? More with just broken engine that can be fixed... Right now no Ferrari, and if Ferrari? With no damn engine with first and only one gear being grinding reverse of gears.

  • trip1ex's avatar
    trip1ex
    4 years ago

    @Man_iLoveFishing wrote:

    @trip1exExactly how it's my fault? I played 132 hours hoping that major bugs will be fixed IN 3 PATCHES. I even gave some time and love. What the hell? Give me that good reason so I'd understand?


    I already did.  Do you want me to believe you just fell off the turnip truck?  IF so let me know.  Otherwise it's your fault.  YOu bought the game when you did for the price you did.  YOu could have tried it out first.  You could have watched Youtube for reviews.  You could have got a refund from most digital stores within ~24-48 hours.  Did you? No.

    You bought it and laughingly, for all your whining about how horrible the game is, you have played the game 132 hours already!!!?!?!?!  Face it, you have voted yes for  BF2042 with your actions.

Featured Places