Re: please rework Ewelina Lis, she is very strong
@OkinawaDani Have you heard of our Lord and Savior, Irish?
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Woah, hold up.
Lis is the last name!?!
If Liz is nerfed, who can counter the vehicle campers in the OP helis?
Then I think flares need to be nerfed and the main AA weapon needs to be severely buffed by adding some sort of dumb fire function to it...since DICE doesnt want to give us a AT4-like launcher.
DICE rebalanced AA missiles when they introduced below radar in previous BF games. None of that in BF2042. Theyre just as useless now.
People arent going to be happy until there is no way to fight vehicles
Rock paper and scissors, A vehicle now needs to think about what it is doing. Vehicles have dominated the playing field with little counter, so I think this adds balance.
- @sk1lld There is no way to think about it if you're in an attack heli
Missile has 600m range and is nearly impossible to dodge due to low mobility compared to littlebird and stealth
If that player has brain cell count * than 0, then it's a real challenge to dodge the missile.
You can shot it easily with a gunner gun, but then again, it's a hassle if you don't have anyone My comment though not well written was towards the Stealth and Littlebird which for some odd reason seem to have more health than slow moving tanks.
@Psubond wrote:People arent going to be happy until there is no way to fight vehicles
10/10
I just dont know why these people just dont go to War Thunder.
@sk1lld wrote:My comment though not well written was towards the Stealth and Littlebird which for some odd reason seem to have more health than slow moving tanks.
Bug Helos are 1 hits. Bug Helos are also faster and more agile. The reason Bug Helos go down faster then Pam Anderson in her wedding video is because they are caught hovering around nodes farming infantry. They hover left, right, backwards all to get that KD ratio up. While doing this they sacrifice their defense for kills. Many argue this is the reason to nerf Lis, but their choice to make themselves more vulnerable is not a reason to nerf Lis.
Learn to strafe.
Slow moving vehicles take 4 hits and Lis cannot solo them. If you have an issue in "slow moving armor", youre being teamworked.
- @Padding_Ur_Stats Sir, please stop giving wrong information. If you have no ideas, don't speak for us. Kindly reminding pilot, thanks.
@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:
@Psubond wrote:People arent going to be happy until there is no way to fight vehicles
10/10
I just dont know why these people just dont go to War Thunder.
I just cannot wrap around my head around the mindset of people who play Battlefield but:
1) Want only infantry to be good for anything (unable to be killed by tanks or aircraft)
2) Want invincible tanks (unless the other party uses tanks)
3) Want invincible Aircraft (unless the other party uses aircraft too).
To me Battlefield is about how soldier, armor and aircraft interweave into a fun battle. If one of the ingredients is not good enough, the recipe spoils
No need to nerf anything. For example, thanks to whiners, Boris has already been nerfed. Now he has no abilities and his existence is meaningless.
I'm silent about how they nerfed the whole game by class system.
@ATFGunrAgreed. Particularly heavy tanks are suffering much more after 3.2. I don't see the problem with RAM because I can still out maneuver.
Heavy tanks did receive a minor increase in in turret speed. But the real issue is lack of maneuverability. Adding APS isn't enough when it takes 30 seconds to accellerate from stationary and/or reverse direction.
I feel the balance problem is primarily from the Javelin introduction. Anyone not already running Lis is most likely equipping Javelin. I know I'm able to be more effective against ground vehicles now.
I still maintain that the BFV design choice, attempting to introduce a more realistic tank movement, needs to be reconsidered. Its never worked well here. Proably some BFV-era developer was a WoT nerd and has been trying to force it ever since.
- @DigitalHype They’ve created a balance though by making the characters who can run Jav as mostly useless. Liz can’t, Boris is the worst specialist in the game since the turret was nerfed to uselessness, so Irish is the only useful one… so not many people will run Jav. It’s an odd way to create balance 😂
@Man_iLoveFishing wrote:
@Padding_Ur_StatsSir, please stop giving wrong information. If you have no ideas, don't speak for us. Kindly reminding pilot, thanks.What was misinformation please?
@sk1lldIf it's rock, paper ,scissors, how come the main AT and AA launchers are so ineffective? They're the only mains inf can get, and it genuinely not fun to use.
Take the Javelin and dart, the idea sounds okay, but Ive never seen a javelin hit a heli this week because each and every dart gets flared off after finally a lockon gets achieved (teamplay!) and the missile is in flight. Its useless!- @Wargame_Enj0yer The obvious issue being flares should not stop the lock if a tracer dart is attached. Same as a soflam lock, it should not be affected by flares. Flares should only work against an IR tracking, not radar missiles, soflam, or tracers. Sometimes I look at the Dice devs and wonder just what they’re thinking with this. You want to break a radar lock, you should need chaff. You should have to pick if you want flares or chaff, you don’t get both. If you get hit by a tracer dart, that’s too bad because it’s a homing device that brings any missile to you. Seems like basic stuff.
- @ATFGunr yea chaff or flares as a binary option for different kind of threats would be a good idea.
Like in previous BF's, flares and ECM. But then DICE made ECM act as flares but better and everyone picked ECM. Sometimes I wonder if DICE has a thought out vision. - @Wargame_Enj0yer I can answer that one… no. The answer is no. Without CTE they can’t try anything, so keep throwing darts at the board and wondering why the darts are missing or falling off the darn board. The drum mag nerf and pending roll back is a perfect example. Of course a drum mag should have a negative, you get all the bullets and none of the weight? That’s stupid, and it needs a nerf but it should be based on handling and ADS speed, but the whining gets that rolled back.
- @Padding_Ur_Stats Nice trolling.
The battlefield game was built on vehicle and infantry play.
We could justifyably say why don't you go back to playing COD? - @ATFGunr "But our hand picked 100 playtesters we played a couple of rounds with told us everything is sweet"
As soon as I heard that in the podcast I facepalmed and I also knew for sure that not one of those 'community' playtesters spent a few hundred hours in a 2042 MBT.
"Let's give them Instant repair or APS, we make tanks stronger now!"
Genius.
@Tank2042Man wrote:
@Padding_Ur_StatsNice trolling.
It wasnt trolling, it was an honest observation.
The battlefield game was built on vehicle and infantry play.
See the word "and"? That implies some sort of balance, at least it does to me. The Current field of play is grossly in favor of pilots. It has been supported that engineers being the only class with rockets is a mistake. The only engineer class really worth playing (if one isnt a pilot dropping sentinels) is Lis. Battlefield is not meant to be armor farming infantry and that is the current environment. In virtually every game I have played since this patch, armor doesnt even bother moving. Maybe 2 vehicles get destroyed a game.... Maybe..... Considering what I have read from your past posts, Im not surprised at your position on these changes. Nobody is going to play infantry in such a lopsided environment over time.
We could justifyably say why don't you go back to playing COD?Yes you could, justifiably. And I do. I also play World War 3 and War Thunder and I am considering Division 2. I'm close to T1ing 2 more things and I will play to achieve those goals (probably next weeks missions I will achieve those goals). But while I do that on mission drop day, I dabble in other game environments on other days. I used to say Battlefield is the best FPS. I no longer think that. JMHO, I think giving rockets to Assault is the fix.
- @Wargame_Enj0yer They have already been nerfed, now you can only carry the flares or the repair kit
- @sk1lld where do you see balance? Without more than 100 players and Liss is the quintessential engineer, you can't respawn in a vehicle because thousands of guided rockets hit you. they refugees and you without being able to do anything. It is a joke
- @flcrm if you need it the vehicles are being useless right now why with 30+ liss on an enemy team it's a constant barrage of guided missiles and your options are few
