Re: PP-29 BROKEN
<-- PP29
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If you can't see why your beloved gun is completely freaking broken, you're *.
Go test any weapon vs the PP29, and understand why it's BROKEN lol
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- To add:
Think about the fact it's got 50+ rounds in a mag, and insane damage. You can wipe a team of 4 completely, before reloading. It's the only gun you can reliably do this with
the TTK MIGHT be 100ms. What youre showing is bullets going where you aim, which is how it should be.
Are you able to comprehend that?
Having bullets randomly miss because of some RNG element added, is garbage.The PP29 is working how all guns SHOULD work, without bloom
Other guns need to lose bloom so they can perform the same as the PP29.
We shouldn't have RNG elements added to our bullets. That only helps weak players get a kill, which is ridiculous.
We should be asking for other guns to get rid of their bloom, not add bloom to the PP29. That is completely backwards.
Stop dumbing games down with BS like random bullet deviation.
- @Krakengt11
I have used it for maybe half a match and didn't like it. The maps are way to big and open for me to run around with an smg.
Maybe you should find something else to spend your time on if you get this pissed over game 🙂 - @Sohsuh Some level of RNJ bullet spread is somewhat realistic for microajustement of a " human body " and not Lazer beam mouse that has no kick . BUT THE LEVEL OF BLOOM OR RANDOM SPREAD IS WAY TO INSANE AND BAD . AR ARE TRASH ATM because of this even when tap and burst firering its still insanely inacurate ,.. i might not want Warzone lazerbeam bs but i do want it to be tone down and more in like with the PP29 wich might be a bit to much but around this level of accuracy is a must ... In BF4 or BF3 or even BFBC 1 and 2 guns were not so innacurate , BFBC2 when tap firering it was pretty accurate .
- @Stew360 This is why they adjust damage ranges, falloff, accuracy penalty when moving, overall damage of guns, in order to balance them.
But RNG on bullets is a garbage mechanic and it always has been.
Bloom is added into games for one reason and one reason only, to help bad players win gunfights. It shouldn't exist. It throws skill out the window. If I am more accurate than you, then I should win the gunfight. My bullets shouldn't randomly miss because the game says so. That is trash. Use it more. Get some unlocks for it, such as the suppressors. If you think you might be engaging at range more often, such as on the really large maps with lots of dead space like Hourglass, fit the extended barrel to it for greater long-range accuracy.
It's an absolute monster. The reason people are complaining about it now is that everyone has hit the rank to unlock it and found that it's basically the best all-round gun. I expect the forums to really light up from Friday when the Standard Edition owners (whom I assume are more numerous than the Gold/Ultimate Edition owners) get the game and get absolutely wrecked, repeatedly, by more experienced players who've adapted to the new mechanics and have a fully decked-out PP-29 along with it.
Most other guns in the game are, to a greater or lesser extent, situational; the PP-29 is not. It doesn't have the best stats in any one area, but it has a huge mag, great stability and good range. I've taken down entire squads with it, and the same has happened to me and my squad.
- @Sohsuh have you ever played a fps game before?
as what do you mean an RNG element? you mean learning recoil control?
as i think that's the issue you're having, you're so trash you're not able to learn it and you think a balanced game is a gun having near to no recoil, like please explain as all it screams is that you're trash tbh - @Sohsuh also having a gun to do recoil for you isn't you having better aim, that's not how it works lol, having more recoil and as you call it bloom, even tho that's not what bloom means lmao, you'll understand that when you "miss because the game says so" realise that the reason why you miss is because your aim is so trash, nothing to do with the game but yourself.
- @iTouka-K Recoil is different than weapon bloom. You can learn weapon recoil and control it. Weapon bloom or spread is completely random and cant be controlled. The random bullet deviation wtih weapon bloom in 2042 is rng/random.when you shoot the AR's sometimes the bullet will go slightly to the left, right, above etc. of where your crosshair is and its completely random. This even happens in single shot so tap firing wont help either
Personally, I think the PP-29 is slightly overpowered because of the mag size. In terms of pure performance I think its fine. I regularly out gun and get out gunned by the dmr's at close range. I do think the AR's need a slight buff tho
- @cng82 yeah i mean i think the ar's are completely fine, if the bloom wasn't such a big thing then i don't see an issue with the ar's damage and recoil as it's perfect but dmr's the fact it kills everyone in 2 shots from any range and 1 shot in the head whilst the snipers does the exact same thing is broken.. and the fact the pp-29 can out perform any ar even if bloom wasn't a thing is stupid, needs to be nerfed and match the rest of the smg's.
@cng82but that's why the pp-29 needs more recoil than the rest, it's to balance the mag size with the recoil, you need a reason to use each gun, you want more fire rate you get less bullets like the vac, you want good recoil you get more damage drop off, you want a bigger mag you get more recoil, it's to give each gun a different reason for every player to pick it, if every gun had a buff then you'll get to a point that you die in 2-5 shots with near to no recoil and it'll make the game boring.
- @iTouka-K I agree that the AR damage output is fine but its the crazy weapon bloom that makes them feel very inaccurate. If they had a lot less bloom then AR's wouldn't get constantly outperform by smg's. Thats why id rather see AR's buffed instead of nerfing the PP-29 hard. However, I wouldn't mind a slight nerf to the PP-29 like more recoil or a smaller mag size
The PP-29 is fun to use and It’s how guns should feel. Other guns should be balanced around it.
If anything AR’s should be buffed by reducing the spread. Why on earth anyone wants more recoil is beyond me. High recoil just makes games not fun to play.
SMG’s should have very accurate hip fire and win fights up close. Assault rifles should be the best for mid range engagements.
@iTouka-K wrote:
@cng82yeah i mean i think the ar's are completely fine, if the bloom wasn't such a big thing then i don't see an issue with the ar's damage and recoil as it's perfect but dmr's the fact it kills everyone in 2 shots from any range and 1 shot in the head whilst the snipers does the exact same thing is broken.. and the fact the pp-29 can out perform any ar even if bloom wasn't a thing is stupid, needs to be nerfed and match the rest of the smg's.Bloom is the issue with ARs and LMGs once it's fixed, people will move away from the PP.
Removing PP now means everyone uses DMR. And locking DMR means people will quit because of bloom making all other guns RNG fest's.
- @BicolorZulu Believe me , I play two days with DMR , it also have problems with bloom .
And also all another weapons
Here is for example shooting from tank
https://youtu.be/z7rKPcDZ4fo
And another
https://youtu.be/Yp48xXj1TP8
https://youtu.be/xFNpatz4LJE
https://youtu.be/F82uAK-EpDM ( look at this ) They can add randomness to recoil like in BFV (BFV has random horisontal recoil), in BFV you always feel like the bullet goes where the gun points.
The big problem is that spread/bloom feels weird, with some added random recoil instead you visually can see, that you should stop firing to regain control of your aim.
BFV did this pretty well.
- @cso7777 Spread has been in every BF game including BFV. Random recoil sounds much worse. Your crosshair should follow the recoil pattern and spread doesn't need to be visual represented other than tracer rounds.
Depends on the gun in BFV. Some guns have much less spread than others. It also depends on the perks you choose. Some guns and their spread are affected much less by movement. There's a lot of factors.
I do agree that some guns still need tuning and that spread does seem to be a little high sometimes. @RaginSamI know that BFV has some spread, but they have minimized it so much that you don't really notice it, and mostly use some recoil (including some randomness to horisontal recoil) for limiting guns range.
The same should be done to BF2042.
The guns feel fine in BFV, why they would go back to BF4/BF1 spread-mechanics, just seems strange.Personally showing spread by tracer rounds is not very intuitive (and looks awful on screen), moving the guns aim seems much more "natural".
- @cso7777 If your crosshair followed every bullet deviation it would jump around all weird. Tracer rounds give you feedback on where your bullets are going. It makes it really easy to see how long you can burst a gun accurately. I'm not sure why you're saying it's a bad thing when that too has been in every Battlefield game, if I'm remembering correctly. It's definitely in BFV.
The only difference is the amount of bullet spread. From what I've heard, it might not be working 100% properly currently. It's something they can tune very easily though, but I have a feeling performance might play a role into that as well.
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