Re: Reuse of Character Models
@lzilchetl Because once people have it in for a company/game they will find anything they can to find fault with said game.
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- @CantGetRight Well given the state of the game and they took some shortcuts.....Where was the time spent? lol. ToRnAdO
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I honestly couldn't care less. Some people think that games should use brand new models, textures, mechanics basicly rewright the game every time. If you look at it from a movie perspective, how many times you see Harrison Ford or Sean Connery in different films.
- @fragnstein The criticism isn't that assets were re-used, that's a smart development practice to save time/money when you have fantastic existing assets and don't need to create something new.
The criticism more comes that they cut some corners like this and the game is still significantly flawed and incomplete to the point where S1 got delayed at least (we'll see) 3 months for them to rehab the game.
These kinds of decisions are intended to make development faster/easier to improve the rest of the quality of the game, like in Horizon Forbidden West. That didn't happen with BF2042, which is why it's being called out.
@edgecrusherO0 wrote:
@fragnstein
These kinds of decisions are intended to make development faster/easier to improve the rest of the quality of the game, like in Horizon Forbidden West. That didn't happen with BF2042, which is why it's being called out.These are specific factual claims about the development of the game for which there is no evidence offered other than "it's a face of a white woman."
You're seeing things. Lay off the peyote.
- @edgecrusherO0 One character model out of ten bares some passing similarity to previous models and that is a reason for the flaws in the game?
Oh dear...... - @Trokey66 "...and that is a reason for the flaws in the game?"
In which y'all still apparently refuse to read what is written, instead choosing to read what's literally not written.
Because I never wrote that, or anything like that. The closest thing I wrote to that is wondering why the game still launched in such an incomplete state when the team was wisely saving time by re-using perfectly fine assets where possible.
@edgecrusherO0 wrote:
@Trokey66"...and that is a reason for the flaws in the game?"
In which y'all still apparently refuse to read what is written, instead choosing to read what's literally not written.
Because I never wrote that, or anything like that. The closest thing I wrote to that is wondering why the game still launched in such an incomplete state when the team was wisely saving time by re-using perfectly fine assets where possible.It is clear that the devs did not reuse the models.
This is not difficult to understand.Lay off the peyote.
They did reuse the models, Dice and various EA studios have been doing it in Frostbite since FIFA switched over to Frostbite.
There are a heap of models shared between battlefield games, battlefront, Fifa and I would expect Madden and Mass Effect to also reuse these models.
If you are wondering where the models are used in Fifa - look at the coaches / managers for smaller clubs and other staff, ie referees.
They would be using a character creator in a program like Houdini - (Dice used Houdini for buildings, materials and effects for a number of games, so I would expect them to also be using this or something similar for character models), and then make slight alterations.
Houdini is specifically set up for this - it is procedural code / node based modelling, which keeps a history of all actions to get to the stage the model is at; so you can change something like shifting / rolling the eyes, adjusting the jaw or adding scratches and the mesh / material shaders automatically update to create the final mesh.
There are plenty of other programs with similar systems, and I would imagine very few character modelers for AAA games would be manually modelling individual character meshes from scratch nowadays if it could be avoided.
The exception to this is something like Super Smash Bros where each character looks very different, is a different size, different skeleton, different animations, different rendering shaders (ie toon link).
Otherwise the major exception is when a model is based on a real person / actor - such as Boris in BF2042, but that would usually be 3d face / body scan info merged into a character creator system like one set up in Houdini.
Dice are using the same base model / character system they have previously used, barely adjusted the initial values they had for this particular character in Battlefront and have made minor changes on top. Otherwise they could be reusing the same actor resulting in a slightly different mesh from each face scan - Mackay in BF2042 is a face scan and the same actor was used in BF4 - but these are face scans done 8 or so years apart.
What is less likely is they created three character models from scratch that look extremely similar and all appeared in their 3 most recent games.
In short, this is very standard for a videogame to be reusing assets, what is more surprising is they didn't make more changes; whilst the same base model / character system is being used, the meshes are different (there are slight alterations). The character modeler probably would have taken a similar amount of time to generate a new face or adjust the existing face so there isn't a resemblance.
- @Ga-Knomboe_Boy Nice post, that's a lot of detailed information.
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