Re: Tanks are too Weak

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@Padding_Ur_Stats wrote:

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@RaginSam wrote:

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Using the stats you gave of 10% per soldier. If there’s 6-10 people running C5, then there’s a pretty good chance one of them will get through. Vehicle spawns are much longer, infantry can just keep re-spawning on point.

So youre basically saying nerf teamwork?  That is what is supposed to happen.  You kill 5-6.  That is like saying, if 3 guys shoot at me, I have no chance.  Only allow one person to fire at me at a time.   That is war my friend.

I don’t think you realize just how difficult it is to drive the tank. Everything is so slow about it. Dice sure love their geometry and give you infinite opportunities to get stuck. There’s so many challenges to protecting yourself from enemies that are very close to you, and nearly impossible to keep distance with how the maps are designed, Sundance, spawns, etc. 

I have driven tanks.   It takes them time to get to speed.  But then, that is as it should be.  When at speed, infantry cannot catch them.  So.... hmmmm how do you adjust.... let me see.... Oh, remain mobile!  Yeah that's it.  Yes Sundance and Mackay still have opportunity, but even then, it is a 3/10 chance.  Most tanks issues reside in the start up moving.  That means youre standing still.  That is the mistake.

There’s 64 players per team. That’s a lot of opportunity for rockets, being hacked, C5, and then there’s aircraft you can’t do anything about. You’re kinda right, it’s not a given or the easiest thing to just run up and C5 every vehicle with 100% success rate. If the team has bit of coordination you get punished instantly in a tank if you slightly overextend. I’m talking like 20 yards or being on the wrong side of a point being fought over while on the move. 

Again, youre nerfing teamwork, which is the basis of game design.   I have seen tanks with a squad on the tank protecting it.  They are nigh invincible.  They shoot any Sundance and Mackay, C5.  Tanks using teamwork to survive..... Hmmmm

The problem I have when it comes to the balancing between ground and air is that air vehicles can disengage a lot easier, they’re far harder to hit in 3d space, you have to be specially equipped to deal with them, and they won’t get stuck on anything. Aircraft can carry all the weight in the world without any penalty and move freely. I usually don’t care about realism, but the Condor is just ridiculous in every way. It breaks all the laws of physics lol. I’m glad they’re finally balancing air vehicles, but it took a while. 

You do realize there are planes that hover, right?  Condor is the easiest to down.  That being said, Air>Armor>Infantry.    The irony is there is an Air thread complaining about the same as this thread.    IMHO, the only thing needed is to remove the borg regen from the game.  This will cycle vehicles faster, give more pilots opportunity to drive.   Even with your issues, all I see is armor parked on flags.   If youre one of those, you deserve to die.  I can throw my C5 on you.   I get most my kills that way.  

Tanks need a turret speed buff, nothing crazy, but literally any increase would be great. Turn radius could be improved, I have to brake, then give it gas, and feather it through turns. It’s pretty obnoxious it takes that much work to make just regular turns. Even standing still and trying to rotate seems slower than what a tank could do in real life. 

Or exit and shoot those approaching like most tanks do today.

Alright, that got a little lengthy. Sorry.

Not at all, being thorough allows learning through discussion.  

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First rule of using a tank in any Battlefield game, never get out and always die with your tank. You NEVER give the enemy the opportunity to steal your tank! 

Battlefield is a team game. No, I don’t want “teamwork” nerfed. That’s a bit of a stretch to claim that’s what I’m aiming for. To load up the game and play pretty much any mode requires teamwork, that shouldn’t be the conversation. The conversation is Balancing. 

I pointed out how many players are on the field and the percentage you gave. There’s easily 10 people near every objective. So the first objective you go to with the tank, because you’re trying to cap since it’s a team game, there’s 10 of you all trying to C5. The tank isn’t going to kill all 10 campers lurking 15-20 feet away on the small cap zone. You can’t rock back and forth and keep momentum, your turret is so slow and hopefully you’re pointed in the right direction, and you can’t aim downward enough. Keeping the armor alive versus how easy it is for someone to toss C5 10 feet in two seconds doesn’t feel exactly balanced to me. 

No one uses the 3rd and 4th seat in a tank either. You wanna know why? Because it’s mind numbly boring. Hardly anyone wants to sit in the second seat, and that’s partly due to having to constantly be on the move which means the tank is bouncing around all the time.

Running C5 is low risk, high reward. 

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@RaginSam wrote:

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Running C5 is low risk, high reward. 

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Dying 90% of the time is low risk?   BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Sorry, but your presumption that everyone has C5 is obtuse.   Ammo boxes, med boxes, AA and recoil are far higher on the common loadout then C5 because of the high risk.

10% is not OP.  

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@RaginSam wrote:
@Padding_Ur_StatsYou’re ignoring all the parts of my argument and focusing in on one part of it and trying to misrepresent my point.

If there’s 10 people on a point, and all of them have a 10% chance of being successful, then it’s pretty much a guaranteed kill? Do the percentages go up linearly or exponentially? The more people rushing a tank at once, then it’ll only take a few people from different angles to have a guaranteed kill. And yes, lots of people are running C5 because it’s useful as a grenade or blowing up vehicles. People switch throughout rounds as well. You start doing well in a tank and all of a sudden everyone is running rockets, C5, Sundance, and Rao.

No Im not.  Youre point is many people vs the tank.  That literally is the game.  Its called teamwork.  You want tanks boosted to alleviate teamwork.  Hence I said, nerf Teamwork in a previous post.  Do that mean when I, as an infantry, am confronted with 3 enemy infantry, 2 of their guns wont work because hey, 3 on 1 you know!  And yes, people adjust load outs.   That is part of the game as well.   But they're not all pulling C5.   Some are pulling Recoil, and AAs because they dont want the 1 in 10 chances when they can fire from a distance.   Theyre worried about their KD ratios I guess. Me, I die the 9 times for the kill. 

You’re also missing one of the most important part of this argument. The tank is slow in every aspect, and I’ve already mentioned several times at this point in how they’re not designed to fight infantry up close. You can’t even outrun someone on foot while they start charging at you from 30 feet away!

 

Tanks are slow from a stop.  They are faster then a running infantry when they get going, they outrun my sprint all the time and guess what, they kill me!  If this is your problem, we have found your issue. Don't stop.  I see armor constantly moving all the time and hey!  Guess What!  Theyre hard to catch and destroy.   Those that sit still and fire their unlimited ammo, they're meat.

 

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In closing, there is absolutely NO ISSUE with C5.  A 10% success ratio does not need to be nerfed.   Oh and remember, 3 C5 doesnt always destroy the vehicle as it is, so if one gets the 10% there is a chance it still wont work.  Just because you only experience the 90% failures as part of your infantry farming, doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.