Re: Why is K/D so highly reagrded in BF? It's NOT the ONLY Team STAT...
@Trokey66 But a high K/D player who PTO is a better player than a low K/D player who PTO...
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To clarify:
When people in this thread say you can be a good player even though you have a bad K/D, then sure, you can.
If you push the objectives while doing what you can to help the team with supportive actions such as heals, revives, resupplies, repairs & spotting enemies then yes, you are a good player.
No question about it.
However if you do the exact same hing - push the objectives while being a good squad and team player who heal, revive etc. as mentioned above - then you are a better player if you can do this with a K/D of 2 than with a K/D of 0.5
That’s all I’m saying.
K/D ratio doesnt tell the whole story. Obviously someone with a K/D of 6 but is bottom half of the scoreboard is not as good as someone with a KD of 1 who is at the top. As long as your K/D is over 1, then all is good in my eyes. Though to be fair if you are an uber medic who revives a ton of people yet has a slightly negative K/D that is also grand. You definitely dont need a high K/D to top the scoreboard. I was top in one round of Frontlines on Devestation with zero kills, zero deaths but spamming flares in the Cathedral.
- @VOLBANKER_PC No offence mate but this is a prime example of KD being part of the problem, you feel the need to push the high KD, High score as the better player.
That is obvious so again, so what? You are missing the basic point of the all to mentioned mantra of 'High KD - good player, Low KD - Bad player".
Too many see it as that black and white but it is simply not always the case. - @Trokey66 Of course it’s not blsck and white, that’s why I wrote the “to clarify” post above as well. It looks to me like you haven’t seen it.
- @VOLBANKER_PC I did......
I rarely ever look at the K/D. To me, it just doesn’t make sense as a form of grading a quality player in this game. I always look at the score because at least that takes into account healing, reviving, supplies, attacking/defending objectives, etc.
As someone who plays Medic/Assault, whatever the healing/reviving class is, I’m not always looking to engage. Sometimes I’m just running around healing and reviving, trying to help my team continue to push or defend objectives. So yeah, sometimes I’ll have more deaths than kills, or not a lot of either, but it doesn’t stop me from getting a higher score than most players.
- @VOLBANKER_PC absolutely NOT. What about support? Medics and ammo? Can't have a good K/D without those
@VOLBANKER_PC wrote:
@Trokey66But a high K/D player who PTO is a better player than a low K/D player who PTO...that's a rare find.
I see people going 70-3 but that's simply because they play the closest objective with a tank or helicopter then duck back into out of bounds and usually lose or vacate the server as soon as they realize a full squad or two is gunning for them. . My k/d hovers right around 1, but I get multiple kills before I die, points for destroying armor, being a good squad leader, playing the objective, spotting. TAKING COVER WHEN THE LAST MAN IN SQUAD warning pops up, preserving the squad perks, etc.
Battlefield is wide open in scoring that has nothing to do with k/d.
It rewards playing smart and paying attention, sometimes just surviving a firefight long enough to allow squad members to spawn or distarcting the enemy by playing cat and mouse on an objective until more team mates show up can change the momentum on close games.
- @ZombieP1ow Indeed, we played a lot of Front lines recently and the amount of players (some well known on the forums) who only play TDM on that mode is astounding!
They have stellar KD's and are often amongst the higher placed players on their team but that is often the losing team. @ZombieP1owIt’s funny how “unpopular” it is among several people here to have a good K/D.
People with a solid K/D are very often the same ones that push the objectives. I know this because I’m squadding with guys like this all the time. It’s guys that will notice when you are on a flanking tour and spawn on you to help out for example.
There are exceptions of course; there always is. But the story that is being served here that people with a good K/D are in fact bad players who do not care about their squad/team and who do not PTO etc....that’s wrong in my experience, plain and simple.- @ZombieP1ow But if someone also does helpful squad/team things, just as you do, but still end every round with a higher K/D than you (let’s say a K/D of 2) - can we agree that this player is the better player then?
And yes, it IS very much possible to do a ton of helpful squad/team efforts and still maintain a high K/D. - @VOLBANKER_PC If then we go on how many have our experience compared to yours, from this little thread alone, it's clear you're in the minority.
And here's a nice little thought experiment:
You can win a match, by ONLY taking objectives, NOT killing anyone, scoring far higher per minute, than ONLY killing, NOT taking objectives.
Even most of the YouTubers, if you look at their score compared to their team's and what they are doing, it's apparent that they are also just K/Ding it.
I'm also not saying that you should play the game differently, it is BATTLEFIELD after all and IF what you are doing helps, even better.
I'm saying K/D is far too hyped up and singled out to be almost THE BE-ALL of stats. That's NOT right. A good Medic and Engineer in a squad, can carry the team much better than kills, and often do - @psylentrage76 I agree 100% with you that K/D is a hyped up stat. Totally!
In a sense it is an irrelevant stat in fact, at least in Conquest.
It would be much more logical if the key stats were something like:
- Captured flags pr. game minute
- Defended flags pr. game minute
The latter requires you to kill intruders though, so it is tied to getting kills in that way. Btw. kills do in fact become vital “in itself” in Conquest sometimes.
It happens from time to time that each team is more or less equal in their score from flags, and so the score from kills pr. team becomes crucial.
I have lost around 30 XP after posting in this thread btw.
It seems someone is retracting already given XP to me.
I guess that’s the price of saying something various people disagree with and do not like to hear.
What a childish reaction TBH.
- @VOLBANKER_PC if I remember correctly and I may be wrong, but when BFV for a short period showed what the ticket breakdown was at the end of a conquest round, wasnt it something like 60% kills and 40% ticket bleed.
- @ninjapenquinuk I didn’t see that, but it could very well be the case.
The players who steal my heart are more often than not, the players who respond to my (and other players) needs.
For example if I ask for a repair for my tank or to rebuild the repair station.
If I ask for people to spot enemies for airstrikes etc.
These peoples are the real MVPs to me. Even if they do not make a single kill
@UP_HawxxeyeI know exactly what you mean. When you’re playing Scout for example, you are 100% dependant on Support players to drop Ammo Box, so you can restock on Spotting Flares, which you run out of all the time.
When you then send out a Request Ammo msg via the commo rose, and some total stranger from your team then suddenly appears and drops an Ammo Box...you just want to hug that person!
When I’m with a squadmate who picks a Tank and I’m running as Support, I typically switch to the Wrench gadget when I get the chance so I can help my tank squadmate whenever needed.
Similarly, when a squadmate picks up the Flamethrower or one of the other Elite weapons, I often switch to Medic and trail him as he’s running around to make sure he stays alive for as long as possible.
One does not exclude the other though: You can be responsive to your squad- and teammates’ needs and get a good K/D also.
For example when I help a Tank squadmate, I also try to kill enemies who attempt to get near the tank. Same with when I’m trailing a squadmate who is running as Elite.
Being helpful to others while also capping flags and killing enemies - that must be the goal 🙂Battlelog is having a rough time right now with all the people back on BF4. It's only reporting games from a few weeks ago for me, but some of my placements:
#3 K to D 16-22, Score 11727, SPM 553, .7 K/D. The #2 player went 29-14 with 11861 score. Top player on the other team went 42-13 with a 13936 score.
#4 18-29 with 11166 score. #1 player went 60-14 with 21142 score. #2 player went 40-11 with 15901 score.
#3 17-16 with 10770 and SPM 920. The #4 player went 25-0 lol!!
Most games I don't top 20 kills. How high I am on the scoreboard depends a lot on the map, how the action flows, etc. If it bogs down into a choke point battle, I might not score that high.
SPM is a good indicator but that is very much game mode dependent in recent games.
- @ArchAngeL-PCX Select the option that says "see all reports" there you will find the most recent games, those games do not appear in the notification.
Regarding K / D, I think there is more specific data and with better precision to know how good a player one is.Kills per minute, points per minute, and accuracy. I think these data are more accurate to know the type of player we are.
@1986CristinaThanks! Found my recent reports.
Last game I played last ni...i mean early this morning (lol!!):
#4 12-12 with 11275 score.
I was the only player in the top 7 with less than 21 kills. The map was Silk Road, and we won. Those who know the map can guess how most were getting their kills.
But it all works together. The tanks were holding the line and our armor dominated the map, allowing me to directly assault and take flags.
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