Re: why was lis buffed?

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@shanatak wrote:
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Yes I can confirm, some are very good pilots in this video.

I disagree. They're making rookie mistakes and it is costing them. 

There are points to know too , console and PC version are different.

How about some posts on what is different.  I play PC. 

It seems people want to let no chance to the most skilled pilots

Wait, you just said, those are skilled.   That being said, to learn to get better is to make mistakes and learn from them. 

Those pilots trained hard and get time to reached the level they are .

Trained or Played?  Not the same.  That being said, they are making bogus rookie mistakes in "each" kill.  They are giving up their defense for KD.  What is sad is, they really dont have too.

Now just imagine a beginner pilot want to learn flying ....he ll be disgusting in what..in a minute or 2 maybe .

You mean like a beginning infantry or armor in this game.   That is not a reason to nerf a specialist.  Funny how you want your game play EZ, but ignore the other facets of the game.

Yes it's easy to destroy an heli with Lis...imagine 4 or 5 Lis...

So youre argument is to nerf teamwork?  Why haven't you asked for an infantry nerf because 4 or 5 infantry on 1 is OP.  They have no chance.  

The very basis of what this game is designed on teamwork.  You're not supposed to survive Teamwork. I've T1d Lis and it aint that easy.   Either you have no experience playing Lis, or if you do, youre snowballing to get it easier for flying.  

Essentially, youre position is to make EZMode because of Teamwork, Beginner flyers, and Rookie mistakes from supposedly good pilots.   

None of those videos record how many misses happened, only the final blow.  Flying defense is based on speed and agility.   When you give that up to farm the helpless infantry who have no chance against you, so high in the air, those with rockets get a chance to shoot you down.  Giving up your defense to get your KD ratio padded is not a reason to nerf Lis. 

I would say those pilots have to get better.  Stop the hoovering and flying backwards which eliminates your defense.   Learn to Straif.  Yes, you wont get as many kills, but you have to decide.....

Give up some kills

or die to Lis.

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@shanatak wrote:
@Padding_Ur_StatsIt's a video of sequence , so you can't saw all how they fly.
And in this video there are no ultra skilled pilots , I just said they are good pilots

Again, making bad pilot mistakes.  Not a reason to nerf Lis

And hopefully for the interest of the game , it's take skill to shoot an heli with Lis but it s not impossible. It's can be easy if a Lis learn and know the mechanic of flying.

Ive T1d Lis.  The only people who says she is easy are people who dont really play her.  I have seen a pattern among bad pilots and I capitalize on that. 

I am just fear about how the game ll be with a buff of Lis because it's already an hard way to deal with his rocket specially on PC.
Just looking a video of ashe or Silk, its crazy...

Youre looking at a video of pilots making bad mistakes and it costing them.  Again, not a reason to nerf Lis. 

PC players and console players have different control , a mouse can do better than a controller when we talk about vehicles.
And Lis Rocket work as a vehicle aim .

Lis's rocket is not agile at all.  Additionally, if you boost it, you have little to no agility left and you eat up 50% of your fuel.  Air has far more agility then the missile.  Dodging isnt hard,  That being said, in every example in the linked video, the pilots give up their defensive abilities because theyre focused on the infantry below. 

Maybe console don't know that but changing the aim sensitivity on setting vehicle will give the missile more controls.

I cannot speak to the console.  I use PC.

Lis is my favourite specialist , I like to play her and i really think it's ok , no need a buff just for delete all flying heli.
Lis is maybe the strongest specialist already and I T1 too her .

I dont wish to call you a liar, but y our info on her abilities and rockets seem, inaccurate to me.  Maybe because you play console is the difference.    That being said, Lis is far from the strongest specialist.  Falck, Mackay, Sundance, Angel are all FAR better then Lis.  She is mediocre among the specialists.  Ive T1d Lis, Falck, Sundance and I am about to T1 Mackay and Angel.

Tired to see little kids crying as soon they can't manage against a better player .

Dont sweat it.  Theyve been told they are winners and are special their whole lives.   It is about time they learned theyre not.

I am fear that the sky ll be just for the best pilots because yes, skilled pilots ll be there and the normal players who want just enjoy a game ll be disgusting.
I hope Dice know and notice that.

The buff to Lis is minor.  Most engagements are under 300 meters.   With a larger missile hit box, her missiles will be shot down more often.  It will still take 4 rockets to down a vehicle and she has a 20 second cooldown.    The position that multiple Lis is OP is moronic.  This game is all about teamwork.  That is why her rockets have a 20 second cooldown, to force others to engage with her.   I have sank 7 rockets into a MAV, and it was only at 60% health because nobody else targeted it. 

The only birds who need to fear Lis are the bug birds.  They will have to adjust their piloting to forward straifing instead of hovering to farm their kills.Other then that, the changes overall are minimal

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@shanatak wrote:
@Padding_Ur_Stats
I never said Lis need a nerf, I said Lis don't need a buff.

Frankly, I don't disagree.  I believe vehicles/infantry are at a good place right now.  But the changes are pretty innocuous.  Bigger hit window means the missiles will be shot down with greater frequency.  Greater range will increase attack opportunity.  I believe this to be a fair exchange.

Like I told , if i activate cross play , the spamming of Lis missile is crazy .

Im not sure what this means?  Are you saying more people are playing Lis?  That is called teamwork. 

And you can say i am bad when I flying but on crossplay its it's very different.

The examples in the video are pilots making stupid mistakes.  Fly that way and you will die.

PC players ll kill me really more often.

I play PC and have never played controller.  This is experience I cannot speak to.

It's more easy to manage the movement on pc.

The changes will allow controller to play like PC from what I hear.   Don't take this wrong but you're choosing to play an environment that makes it easier for you.  Play crossplay more and you will learn what to do to live longer.

So I think this buff made for console players complaining when they don't know how to change the movement in settings .

Again, you're choosing to play EZmode.  As I said before, the video shows either bad pilots or good pilots getting complacent making rookie mistakes.  You fly that way and you increase Lis's odds.   You control the level of defense you have, not Lis.   If you choose to give up your speed and agility, that isn't a reflection of Lis's strength.  It is a refection of your choice of game play.   I find pilots who do this are more concerned with the Stat Board and their KD ratio's.   JMHO, these numbers are not a measure of skill. 

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@shanatak wrote:

So I think this buff made for console players complaining when they don't know how to change the movement in settings .

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Wrong. I cranked sensitivity and the missile still doesnt turn like it does in vids i see from pc players. 

Plus there is the whole adjustment thing in the update that specifically states it didnt work as intended on controller...

Just an overall statement to address the ongoing narrative

I believe Vehicle/Infantry is at a good place right now.   For success of what ever faction you choose to play now requires Teamwork.  I've noticed that the missions of this season are far more Teamwork oriented.   I have also noticed many of the changes strengthen the Teamwork ideals.    It is obvious where DICE wants this community to go.   

Considering how many nerf Teamwork replies there are, it seems the community has made its feelings known.   People want solo play.  They also want to be top of the scoreboard, rather then winning.   Their requests and complaints seem to point to this idea of success.  

I will find it interesting if DICE caves to the narcissistic needs or stick to the, This is a Teamwork design. 

Stay tuned.

2 of my replies have disappeared.   I do not believe there were TOS violations......   Mods?  I dont have any message in my inbox with warning or information. 

EDIT:  They're back now.  Thank you mods!

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@shanatak wrote:
@Padding_Ur_Stats
In console , we cannot flying like a PC pilot . Never. I don't know if it's a problem of FPS or other thing . We don't have the same responsibility and sensibility.
The best pilot on console will never win against the best pilot on PC.( I think)
And I don't want easy mode , I want equity..

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The current changes to Lis are supposed to provide the equity you seek.  In truth, the equity you crave is for PC to respond like Controller.  That would make flying easier from what you're saying.   Instead, they're attempting to make controller more like PC, which makes it harder on you.  Im not trying to offend you but that is wanting it easier.