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Janas-Aurora
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6 years ago
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20mm Hispano guns on Spitfire VB non-explosive?

So the other evening I was taking the Spitfire VB on some strafing runs in a Conquest round. And I've always just assumed the Hispano 20mms on the wings had an explosive payload. As you can see in the clip though, I strafed an enemy infantryman pretty much dead-on, (considering the guns' convergence or lack thereof at the given range), and it is evident there is absolutely no explosive or splash damage on impact at all, which I found not only a little disappointing but hard to believe. 

Looking up the Hispano, like any WWII-era aircraft mounted gun, I know they generally had different types of belts of ammunition for different roles, but I'm fairly certain even the 'SAPI' rounds had a few grams of TNT-equivalent explosive in them. This doesn't seem right to me.

https://youtu.be/1cczu9GLFlw

Quoted variously online below: 

'Firing a 20 mm diameter projectile, it delivered a useful load of explosive from a relatively light weapon. This made it an ideal cannon for use onboard fighters, replacing the multiple 7.62 mm (.30 caliber) machine guns commonly used in military aircraft in the 1930s.'

The types of ammunition used were mainly: 'Semi-Armour Piercing, Incendiary (SAPI) and High Explosive, Incendiary (HEI).'

  • @Jan_Atreides

    The standard 20mm cannons on all aircraft (apart from the HE specific 20mm cannons on the Pacific aircraft) are non-explosive.

    The only explosive specific rounds (or equivalent) on the European maps are those on the German
    - BF109 G6
    - Stuka B2 with 37mm cannons

    British
    - Blenheim
    - Mosquito 6pounder cannon

    While the standar 20mm rounds are not explosive, it requires between 2 - 3 direct hits to take out infantry and they absolutely destroy wings on enemy aircraft, which is the primary reason for equipping them.

    If you want an easier time strafing infantry with 'Heavy' rounds, I'd suggest on the Spitfire VB to use the .50 cals, these have less of an arc and also less dispersion than the 20mm at range. You'll have an easier time hitting infantry.

    What I will say though, nothing is better at taking out infantry than the Spitfires .303 light rounds or BF109 7.92mm light rounds (exception to the explosive rounds on the G6)

    I hope this helps answer your question and gives a bit more insight to the aircraft and how to bet utilize them for the ground strafing role you're taking on 🙂

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  • @Jan_Atreides

    The standard 20mm cannons on all aircraft (apart from the HE specific 20mm cannons on the Pacific aircraft) are non-explosive.

    The only explosive specific rounds (or equivalent) on the European maps are those on the German
    - BF109 G6
    - Stuka B2 with 37mm cannons

    British
    - Blenheim
    - Mosquito 6pounder cannon

    While the standar 20mm rounds are not explosive, it requires between 2 - 3 direct hits to take out infantry and they absolutely destroy wings on enemy aircraft, which is the primary reason for equipping them.

    If you want an easier time strafing infantry with 'Heavy' rounds, I'd suggest on the Spitfire VB to use the .50 cals, these have less of an arc and also less dispersion than the 20mm at range. You'll have an easier time hitting infantry.

    What I will say though, nothing is better at taking out infantry than the Spitfires .303 light rounds or BF109 7.92mm light rounds (exception to the explosive rounds on the G6)

    I hope this helps answer your question and gives a bit more insight to the aircraft and how to bet utilize them for the ground strafing role you're taking on 🙂
  • Janas-Aurora's avatar
    Janas-Aurora
    New Adventurer
    6 years ago
    @Real_Noobalishus Hey there, thank you much! This is certainly helpful. I'm not entirely certain that it's a *realistic* result, although it's difficult today to find pertinent information on a belt of ammunition used on a plane that's nearly a century out of service.

    I will say that I sincerely wish and hope DICE/EA consider adding some more functional and useful information to the weapon systems we use in vehicles. Something as simple as 'HE'/'AA'(anti-air), or even a description somewhere in the loadout screens for the vehicle's general purpose. Especially since we generally have two fighters per faction. (Air superiority, support, light bomber, so on and so forth.)
  • @Jan_Atreides glad I could help, with what you just said about a simple description such as HE/AA rounds, there is a similar description to what you're describing already in game. If you look at the description of the current rounds you'll see the heavy rounds such as the .50cals listed saying it's good against heavy aircraft. These are the rounds best for takong down bombers but I fully understand where you're coming from.

    The 20mm are amazing at disabling aircraft by destroying rudder, taking off wings, disabling engines, etc. The light Mgs are great for dogfighting and saturation ground strafing and the .50cals do the most damage per round to other aircraft but are slower, prone to overheating and have more bullet drop off 🙂
  • Janas-Aurora's avatar
    Janas-Aurora
    New Adventurer
    6 years ago

    @Real_NoobalishusOh, sure. I just meant a description of some sort that's actually in the in-game HUD. At present we only have pictures that don't say much about the actual type of round or its' designated purpose. It's not convenient to have to go in and read up from the unlock tree in order to familiarize yourself with the plane's role in its' current outfitting in the middle of a match. This is especially pertinent because we very often have multiple types of the same plane, and we can vary their weapons by selecting different branches in the unlock tree. The tiny picture of the Hispano doesn't tell me much, but if it said '20mm AP', I'd get the picture immediately, and so on and so forth.

    This wouldn't be as big of an issue if we could use every vehicle and upgrade route in the Practice Range, but until that happens, in-game is the only time we even have to test these specific aircraft out. :P

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