AA guns too op I can't get a kill in a plane all my plane all rank 0 need them rank up hard to do if get shot by AA

The problem right now is, infantry players only see black & white. "Planes are bad and op" is the common perception.And this perception appears to be the strongest in players who did even fly or did not fly more then 5 hours.And it seems they are the loudest majority in the forums.They only have planes as one enemy.They dont see that there are different planes AND different pilots.They dont see that currently even if you have all upgrades for free, all non rocket planes are literally useless in most cases. They dont seperate CQ&Breakthru.They dont seperate Pacific and Vanilla.They flame about bombers but dont see that a fighter plane, which should have the sole purpose can not hunt a bomber because you die in 4-5 hits. They dont see that the current AA range allows to interfere in 3/4 of the map. They think that rocket range is more or equal to the AA range, which it is in fact NOT the case. Rockets dust off / disappear in the great nothing at the same range. They dont acknowledge that the changes DICE did with making the AA and FF stronger made the problem far worse then it was before!Why? Because Dice gave em a little satisfaction in killing a plane easier now. What should have DICE done instead? Reduced AA damage on range. But make it more damage the closer you are to the AA. (AA needs to be deadly)Reduced the rocket damage to infantry close to zero. Increase the rocket drop. Increase bullet drop. Increase the MG damage to infantry. (a plane needs more bullets to kill infantry than infantry to kill infantry, why?) Keep the 91 dmg from FF. (one infatry player should not be able to take out a tank or a plane solo)

@masterchris889 Although you say AA guns are too op, on the other side of the argument, the same could be said about planes. I think that you need to get more time in-game with planes, keep trying to learn how to evade enemies and their AA and eventually you will. There are many people who play with one weapon or vehicle and seem to master it. Planes are a perfect example, and to be honest, AA's are too. Most people I see on AA generally cannot hit anything, but there are good AA players who know where to aim and get hits on enemies. Keep working at it and good luck!

Hey @masterchris889 I initially didn't enjoy the changes to AA but they were arguably under-powered originally. Now I actually find attacking them quite fun. Best advice I can give you off the top of my head would be:- Learn where the AA guns are on maps as much as possible. When they're in use the icon disappears so you have advance warning. Some AA guns are towable so can still surprise you, but it's great for static ones.- Keep an eye on the skies. If you see AA clouds in the distance then you know you might be in trouble soon.- Take evasive action. You're probably not going to win a head-on fight with AA (sometimes you do) so if you start taking hits, dive and break line of sight.- Be smart when attacking AA. The angles AA users have are sometimes a bit limited. Use it to your advantage and try hitting them from a blind spot.- Use other pilots as bait and kill the enemy using the AA gun while they're distracted.- Take the perks that reduces explosive damage when you can.- Planes with rockets have a bit more advantage when attacking AA right now (when you get the hang of their range etc you can almost fire and forget). I mention this as you may have an easier time levelling these planes up. No guarantee of course.

So, just give all player all the upgrades for planes for free? :D

I can hop into any SAA seat and clear the skies very quickly of even very-distant targets .I can just as easily be Rocketed out of that seat by those same very-distant targets .I can put four or five Flak shells onto a Plane about to fire those Rockets , run away from the Rockets , and then hop on again to fire on their retreat .Not every time , not all the time . . . in fact only twice .But it can be done .I didn't just show up able to do this .Neither did those highly-skilled Pilots .We've worked on it for a long time .Died for it repeatedly in fact , so-oGit Dyin' , I guess (with a learnin' yearnin' towards 'or not')

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25 Replies

Naplesmania
5 years ago
@masterchris889 I have the same (bad) experience as you, I am never able to get a single kill on the plane because the spam of enemy AA’s. The only thing I could suggest you, is to play with friends as a team and ask your friends to put down enemy AA’s or just help you in the sky with another plane.
In my opinion, in general, conquest is not fully enjoyable if played alone :D
ElliotLH
Hero+
5 years ago
Hey @masterchris889 I initially didn't enjoy the changes to AA but they were arguably under-powered originally. Now I actually find attacking them quite fun.

Best advice I can give you off the top of my head would be:

- Learn where the AA guns are on maps as much as possible. When they're in use the icon disappears so you have advance warning. Some AA guns are towable so can still surprise you, but it's great for static ones.
- Keep an eye on the skies. If you see AA clouds in the distance then you know you might be in trouble soon.
- Take evasive action. You're probably not going to win a head-on fight with AA (sometimes you do) so if you start taking hits, dive and break line of sight.
- Be smart when attacking AA. The angles AA users have are sometimes a bit limited. Use it to your advantage and try hitting them from a blind spot.
- Use other pilots as bait and kill the enemy using the AA gun while they're distracted.
- Take the perks that reduces explosive damage when you can.
- Planes with rockets have a bit more advantage when attacking AA right now (when you get the hang of their range etc you can almost fire and forget). I mention this as you may have an easier time levelling these planes up. No guarantee of course.
Nung221
5 years ago
@masterchris889 Although you say AA guns are too op, on the other side of the argument, the same could be said about planes. I think that you need to get more time in-game with planes, keep trying to learn how to evade enemies and their AA and eventually you will. There are many people who play with one weapon or vehicle and seem to master it. Planes are a perfect example, and to be honest, AA's are too. Most people I see on AA generally cannot hit anything, but there are good AA players who know where to aim and get hits on enemies. Keep working at it and good luck!
Das_KinderLumpe
5 years ago
I also feel like AA is overpowered sometimes, but this is because Battlefield designs the game to be as realistic to the actual wars as possible.(One of the great things about Battlefield)
Also, if AA guns were weaker, there would be no point in having them because they would never even be able to actually kill planes.(which is their job)
N4v1s
5 years ago
@Das_KinderLumper I agree, AA is not overpowered at all. Skills pilots can destroy the AA guns, without even getting into the AA range. The ground rockets for example are super precise and can easily kill the AA in a single run.
For weaker pilots (like me) the AA is hard to fight against, but it´s all just the factor of learning how to fly in BF.
CELSI_GER
5 years ago
Agreed. I also would say that the current strength of AA guns is required to keep an average to good pilot in check (and there is lots of those pilots around)
The problem is: At the time these pilots rose from "newbie" to "good", planes were way overpowered. It was quite easy to "train" in live game and get XP und plane updrades, because ground was almost defenseless, AA was weak.
Dice has fixed that in the meantime, but in the result it now is difficult/frustrating to level up your planes.
Carbonic
Hero+
5 years ago
So, just give all player all the upgrades for planes for free? :D
Rebel_knight78
5 years ago
@masterchris889 Iv just picked a plane that has 250kg bombs and drop them on infantry as mich as i can to rank up
N4v1s
5 years ago
@Carbonic Well, I wouldn´t complain about that. :D

Jokes aside, the airspace in Battlefield has always been a hard world to survive in. The skill gap is much bigger than it is in infantry or even ground vehicle combat. Flying got a little bit easier in BF3/BF4, but good pilots would still dominate everybody else.
With the amount of damage, planes can deal out in BFV, I think it should be really hard to level them up.
Art3misZer0
5 years ago
Hard disagree honestly. It's not hard for planes to work around AA, especially not with how few players actually use the AA. Just fly outside their limited range and drop bombs on them, whoever is sitting in the AA will get tired of getting killed constantly. It's even easier for the planes with missiles in the pacific maps.