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I think lack of communication has played a big role. Think it’s a knock on effect of remote working during Covid. It’s a lot harder to spitball ideas and solutions to issues remotely than it is when you’re all gathered in one place. Think that’s where there was a dramatic increase in bugs and they have snowballed ever since. I’m not even sure if they are back working in the offices full time. Personally I think until they do bugs will continue to multiply
- ScarDuck142 years agoLegend@Meza994 I think only thing that will hold sales next year is major overhaul to career modes and new engine. Personally I think it’s Epic fail they havnt touched career modes
- Ultrasonic_772 years agoHero
Whenever talk of new game engines comes up I'm reminded that the last time they did this we got F1 2015, which had no career mode at all. I can't see this happening again personally but I do suspect expecting a new engine AND major changes to career mode is unfortunately likely to lead to disappointment.
- ScarDuck142 years agoLegend@Ultrasonic_77 That is my least played F1 game. As it didn’t have career mode. I played it once. Couple of races. Only time I started the game after was to see if they have by chance added a career mode update.
- 2 years ago
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@Meza994I think only thing that will hold sales next year is major overhaul to career modes and new engine. Personally I think it’s Epic fail they havnt touched career modes@ScarDuck14 I think they gambled this year with F1 World; trying to capitalise on the recent popularity of the sport. I’ve seen some posts regarding game sales being lower than previous versions - probably due to a combination of massive bugs and also the season IRL hasn’t been “box-office”. So, all in all, I don’t think the gamble has paid off.
I’ve said elsewhere on the boards (regarding the trade off between developing F1 world and Career modes), that next year’s game will be the clearest indication of their focus and the way the franchise is going. My hope is because the gamble hasn’t paid off, they have no choice but to double-down on Career modes and sorting long-standing bugs, as @Meza994 suggests.
Here’s hoping 🤞🏽
- 2 years ago
Got the same feeling as @Ultrasonic_77 but then again 2015 wasnt bugfree either from what i heard but i also agree they likely wont do another game without career mode nor do i think they could allow themselfes another game without
@Monzstar83quite likely also probably thinking a bit too much with their wallet when they made that decision.. However i dont really know if they will really learn.. The people up high dont take a look at comments or forums (at least very unlikely) and all they take a look at is what part of the game is being played most, well many of the most played modes are hidden within F1 World so actually if one only looks at numbers it will probably be the most played mode, especially with Career mode being boring for 3 years now and leagues apparently also problematic so i dont know yet.. Too much mistrust on people who make big decisions i guess😂
- mariohomoh2 years agoHero (Retired)@Monzstar83 F1 World seems to be their latest attempt at monetizing the product by trying to increase player engagement and exposition to microtransactions. Not really trying to capitalize on the recent resurgence in popularity, just applying those many tricks of "keep players logging in every day and eventually they'll buy something".
Given how it's also a huge raise in popularity for team principals and team drama, a proper revamping of career modes would be more pertinent in my opinion. - Ultrasonic_772 years agoHero
My suspicion re. F1 world was that it was based on a broader drive from EA to introduce similar elements across multiple titles. And from my perspective the concepts seem broadly GOOD to me but most specifically falling down by inexplicably not providing an adjustable AI difficulty setting.
- ScarDuck142 years agoLegend@Monzstar83 Think their more likely to double down on F1 World unfortunately for the reasons Mario said
- P4st3l1ak2 years agoSeasoned Ace@mariohomoh
That's what I meant by "priorities". They hope gamers buy pit coins to get "items" only available outside passes.
And when you look at passes (even VIP), you can see that they mostly feed you stuff for F1 Worlds. Last year, we at least had more options for livery and helmets, this year not even that.
(I am not saying they were great options but more at least)
This year, we get stickers!! (yeay ☹️ )
I would love to see Career mode uplift because game gets a bit boring. I'd like to see stuff like in Motosport Manager, where you can develop a car part with questionable rule application and risk a scrutiny after the race. Teams do that all the time (see AM 😉 ) so why not to put it in game?
We still don't have budget capping in game (R&D points/money) which is already part of F1 IRL. Why? Because they focus on wrong things in game.
I very much hope it will improve in next release because 23 might be the last one I bought ☹️
(and I have all since 2011) - Neil_RS602 years agoSeasoned Traveler
Yes, the current EA sports portfolio strategy seems to be focused mainly on pushing an enagement and transaction driven gaming architecture (here F1 world) with sports mechanics strapped on. Some of the bits are ok and yet, as @Ultrasonic_77 points out, weirdly broken in annoying ways, but can still be good when a quick hit or some gamified challenges are wanted. EA obviously has a bunch of data from this and PMs no doubt use it to show why this is the right approach. Same is true for PGA tour as I’ve pointed out before.
Braking Point is the attempt to cash in on the Drive to Survive rise in interest (and it was less bad than I expected TBH), F1 World is there to keep them going at it. The more hard core racing (or any of the other sports) enthusiasts who want to do the full up championship and similar stuff must not be the main target as their experience continues to be given the short end of the resources.
And TBH from a data perspective probably true - you have to be strongly into a sport to gain satisfaction from grinding out the full season or managing the team vs just getting a sugar rush from the game engine goodies EA thinks that’s needed to sell more games. So some stuff gets included as its needed as a checkbox but neglected due to low use, reinforced because of flaws.
Same with group competition, which would seem like an obvious thing to facilitate, but EA has pretty consistently failed at undertanding what people want. Cheating and bad behavior further limit interest and hence play through so more negative data trends.
But its the persistent lack of QA that really puts the t*d in the punch bowl. Which is a shame because there must be some serious racing (or other sports) nerds on the dev teams, as there are aspects that do shine. It’s got to be as frustrating for them (i hope) as it is for us to see those efforts short changed by such bad QA.
I was only expecting two things from F1 23 - better handling and the new tracks, so I’m not let down (much) by buying it. And as a Fanatec user they didn’t break my wheel so I lucked out enough to enjoy those things. The rest? meh. Can or will they improve the franchise? Not so sure how to gauge the future but was really hoping for more improvement this year.
- mariohomoh2 years agoHero (Retired)@Neil_RS60 you and @P4st3l1ak are spot on. Unfortunately I don't see things change in the short or medium term.
Even before EA's acquisition, Codies was already hinting they're looking at ways to monetize the franchise and increase revenue. Several aspects of the game took a back seat while they're cooking this and that, and soon after EA closed the deal.
We were relatively content on attributing several of those issues on the acquisition and all that it entails - staff, tools, management, internal structure, reshuffling of IPs and projects, etc. But in retrospect, even though those factors most definitely played a part, it's clear that that's not what's holding this franchise from fixing reoccurring bugs or moving the needle on careers modes and multiplayer systems.
We would hardly have a better My Team or functional ranking and matchmaking systems on multiplayer if EA never got into it.
Codies decided the franchise was ripe for monetization, and they're waddling their way through it. Unfortunately I think the experience is lacking and much of the franchise success relied on the community's goodwill and faith that things would get better soon™.
When I want to get my football fix, I'm more satisfied with my time and effort on FIFA than I am with F1 when I feel like racing these cars.
Which is odd. The handling is definitely better, and we got all new tracks on release. So why am I not having fun? Again, this franchise wasn't ready to have so many of its gameplay pillars being skimped on like this.
And having my Logitech rig so unfulfillingly supported doesn't help either 🤷♂️ - P4st3l1ak2 years agoSeasoned Ace@Neil_RS60
I don't mind Braking Point, I am fan of RPGs and they are always about stories.
However, if something is pretty straightforward then it isn't much fun, is it? Even in first episode, they ask to finish the race. I crashed the car and options available were flashback or restart. No option to continue in story with failed result.
I'd like them to focus more on richer story for BP but not only in cinematics. I want to make choices, have different outcomes, continue even when failed the objective. We see lot of drama in F1 and D2S show. I know, they tried different spin on it this year, bringing in women to F1. And even I'd like to see Jamie, Alice, Emma or others join F1, it still feels a bit forced. - ScarDuck142 years agoLegend@P4st3l1ak Jamie should be there as all people named Jamie are awesome 😎
- P4st3l1ak2 years agoSeasoned Ace@ScarDuck14 your daughter's name? 😉
- ScarDuck142 years agoLegend@P4st3l1ak 😂😂. Im calling you every name I can think off 😂😂
- 2 years ago
@Neil_RS60 wrote:Braking Point is the attempt to cash in on the Drive to Survive rise in interest (and it was less bad than I expected TBH), F1 World is there to keep them going at it. The more hard core racing (or any of the other sports) enthusiasts who want to do the full up championship and similar stuff must not be the main target as their experience continues to be given the short end of the resources.
And TBH from a data perspective probably true - you have to be strongly into a sport to gain satisfaction from grinding out the full season or managing the team vs just getting a sugar rush from the game engine goodies EA thinks that’s needed to sell more games. So some stuff gets included as its needed as a checkbox but neglected due to low use, reinforced because of flaws.
But its the persistent lack of QA that really puts the t*d in the punch bowl. Which is a shame because there must be some serious racing (or other sports) nerds on the dev teams, as there are aspects that do shine. It’s got to be as frustrating for them (i hope) as it is for us to see those efforts short changed by such bad QA.
I was only expecting two things from F1 23 - better handling and the new tracks, so I’m not let down (much) by buying it. And as a Fanatec user they didn’t break my wheel so I lucked out enough to enjoy those things. The rest? meh. Can or will they improve the franchise? Not so sure how to gauge the future but was really hoping for more improvement this year.
Very well said @Neil_RS60, I feel exactly the same 👍🏽
- 2 years ago
@P4st3l1ak wrote:
This year, we get stickers!! (yeay ☹️ )I collect them to complete the compenduim. Don't know why am I doing it, but yeah.)
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