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@dancrodriguesTo be fair most Games developers who’s games that have a online feature will push multiplayer more as that’s where they see where they can make most profit from being through live service or micro-transactions. So naturally players are told multiplayer is where it’s at.
F1 games are slightly different as there isn’t much to gain online through live service or micro transactions due to lack of content that they can add. So I’m guessing that’s the reason why there are no dedicated servers and poor online performance persists. If they went for dedicated servers it would probably cost them other the games life cycle.
Then let’s not forget the best games of the last few years have all been single player like God of War, Even Dead Space, and Fallen Order both EA games. Not to mention if it wasn’t for bugs Jedi Survivor would also be a huge hit.
@ScarDuck14You're right.
What bugs me is this "how do you don't get bored playing only offline?" It's pointless.
How one cannot get bored? I don't know, I don't wanna know, it's not my business.
I'm glad enough with everyone having fun. ❤️
(except if you're Max Verstappen. Then I'll think about it a bit longer 🤣)
- SteveJackson3 years agoHero (Retired)
Here I was thinking this is a thread discussing the Deep Dive trailer. Instead, it's a online / offline debate 😉
Can I just....I don't think it was much of a deep dive. But I only watched it once. I found Natalie Pinkham distracting....although maybe it's because I'm a football fan and I find female presenters / punditry still quite shockingly bad - and it's quota filling BS. I didn't see Danica Patrick, but then I skipped any kind of Miami coverage, watching only the qualifying live.
Although Pinkham has been at it a while, I still struggle to see what she brings to the table. And to head off the sexism....Lazenby's the biggest waste of space on Sky F1.
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend
@SteveJackson🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I think female commentary and punditry on a sport they don’t currently compete is amazing…👍😂
3 of top 5 people I admire most in history are women.
- TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace@SteveJackson Just to bring in another point; women have been excluded from the commentary space for quite a while, especially from Motorsports, so could be argued that they're playing catch up and hence the perceived difference in quality. I don't mind Pinkham, it's always difficult for females to offer great insight, at least on a technical part, in a sport that they aren't likely to have competed in like F1. But when we talk about "presenters", I agree that some presenters, both male and female are awful. I see why Danica Patrick has been recruited; to appeal to the US side and offer that US based opinion but she's lacklustre at offering anything useful.
- pawel5673 years agoNew Ace@ScarDuck14 This is certainly good news
- 3 years ago
@SteveJackson wrote:Here I was thinking this is a thread discussing the Deep Dive trailer. Instead, it's a online / offline debate 😉
Can I just....I don't think it was much of a deep dive. But I only watched it once. I found Natalie Pinkham distracting....although maybe it's because I'm a football fan and I find female presenters / punditry still quite shockingly bad - and it's quota filling BS. I didn't see Danica Patrick, but then I skipped any kind of Miami coverage, watching only the qualifying live.
Although Pinkham has been at it a while, I still struggle to see what she brings to the table. And to head off the sexism....Lazenby's the biggest waste of space on Sky F1.
Pinkham was way more lively when she was not burdened with kids.
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend
@Blackbird90Yup. Kids suck the life and money out off you… Other than that they awesome 😂.
Going to watch guardians later with Scarlett… She’s bringing her boyfriend… 🙄. If that’s not bad enough I’m obviously going to be paying for him aswell 🤬 - 3 years ago
@TotosHeadphones wrote:
@SteveJacksonJust to bring in another point; women have been excluded from the commentary space for quite a while, especially from Motorsports, so could be argued that they're playing catch up and hence the perceived difference in quality. I don't mind Pinkham, it's always difficult for females to offer great insight, at least on a technical part, in a sport that they aren't likely to have competed in like F1. But when we talk about "presenters", I agree that some presenters, both male and female are awful. I see why Danica Patrick has been recruited; to appeal to the US side and offer that US based opinion but she's lacklustre at offering anything useful.This is so important, right? I don't know how that goes abroad but here in Brasil we see a great effort to make female representation on sports larger. The same channel that broadcasts F1 overhere is enforcing this by broadcasting the female national soccer league and even some games of smaller leagues - trying to engage audience.
Specifically on F1 we have Mariana Becker which has been covering F1 in loco for what? Maybe 20 years now. Very reputed in the paddock but clearly an exception.
(Last saturday she asked Alonso if Swift was some kind of money transfer or ~something else~ haha)
About Pinkham, with english not being my mother language, she has one of the cleanest accents of any international coverage, really easy to follow.
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend@dancrodrigues It’s the same here. So much so when I look on BBC sports page for football. They don’t differentiate between women’s or men’s football…. For instance you go to football page and see the headline.. England Win… I think but England were not playing today. So I click on it and it’s only when I read and the names that I realise it’s women’s football.
I have no problem with it. Women’s football is growing in popularity. But it feels forced which I don’t like. - mariohomoh3 years agoHero (Retired)@dancrodrigues damn! Was so distracted with the international stuff that I completely forgot about our scene.
Yes, we have female presenters, commentators, reporters etc too. And overall they're all bangers! Some are lackluster, one case in specific is abysmally repulsive, but most of them are way up there on quality.
Love Glenda Kozlowski.
For F1 specifically, Mariana Becker and Julianne Cerasoli blow the socks out of pretty much any current male counterpart I can think of. Mari is an all-time great, actually. - TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@dancrodrigues@mariohomohThat's the important thing, it comes down to quality not just because of the gender. Quality comes with experience of what they're talking about and being articulate enough to offer that knowledge. I think the issue comes when "pundits" are shoehorned in on the basis of the gender, regardless of their quality. I don't have issues with any female pundit, commentator etc, regardless of sport. However, when you have them in front of the camera just on the basis of them being a certain gender, that's where the issue lies as that's not true diversity.
Sky's coverage of Miami was tough to watch for me because frankly Danica offered nothing more than what somebody else who has more relevance in F1 could have done. In the same respect I enjoyed coverage when Lee Mckenzie was on. Sky's Bernie Collins could be a shrewd signing as a former race engineer but she hasn't found her personality yet. As I said, it really comes down to how motorsport has only recently allowed women to join the boys brigade. It'll get better, may take a while.
Can I give a shout out to Steve Jones who was probably the most irritating, cringe-worthy presenter ever to cover F1.
- TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace
In my opinion I think we should give Pinkham some props along with Suzy Perry, Lee Mckenzie, Jennie Gow and Rosanna Tennant who made great strides in the UK F1 and motorsport scene when they were competing against grid girls and being possibly being labelled eye-candy. Although I do remember Suzy Perry sometimes being seen in half unzipped leathers in the motorbike magazines or lads mags....
At least today it's not like that for most parts at least...
If I've ever seen and been a part of a massive thread derailment....sheesh. Sorry
- SteveJackson3 years agoHero (Retired)
@TotosHeadphones wrote:Can I give a shout out to Steve Jones who was probably the most irritating, cringe-worthy presenter ever to cover F1.
Was? 😢
At least Jones is enthusiastic. Lazenby just looks out of his depth, he's been on the team as long as Pinkham IIRC?
Lazenby isn't even a himbo. Put it this way, I wouldn't * him to get to even Jenson Button 😃
- SteveJackson3 years agoHero (Retired)
@TotosHeadphones wrote:In my opinion I think we should give Pinkham some props along with Suzy Perry, Lee Mckenzie, Jennie Gow and Rosanna Tennant who made great strides in the UK F1 and motorsport scene when they were competing against grid girls and being possibly being labelled eye-candy. Although I do remember Suzy Perry sometimes being seen in half unzipped leathers in the motorbike magazines or lads mags....
At least today it's not like that for most parts at least...
If I've ever seen and been a part of a massive thread derailment....sheesh. Sorry
Lee McKenzie, Jennie Gow (get well soon), Rachel Brookes and for services to motorsport in general, Louise Goodman. All get props from me.
Hated Suzi Perry TBF she was a draft from motorcycling, not a good fit.
But honestly, Steve Rider and Jake Humphreys (* at football BTW, BT) are the definition of anchor, then you look at Lazenby and think; WTAF....
Ted Kravitz is great, sadly David Croft and Martin Brundle have become complete * bubbles since taking the Sky dollar.
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend@SteveJackson Hate C4 as a channel. Apparently they call themselves progressive yet most of their shows are hateful reality shows that encourage the worst from people. However despite their Formula one opening titles just show crashes… I do love their coverage and all the presenters. Love Big Steve. Coulthard, Alex, Webber and my favourite just because off his positive attitude since his horror crash… Billy no legs
- TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@SteveJackson wrote:
@TotosHeadphones wrote:Can I give a shout out to Steve Jones who was probably the most irritating, cringe-worthy presenter ever to cover F1.
Was? 😢
At least Jones is enthusiastic. Lazenby just looks out of his depth, he's been on the team as long as Pinkham IIRC?
Lazenby isn't even a himbo. Put it this way, I wouldn't * him to get to even Jenson Button 😃
There's being enthusiastic and then's also trying to be cool with the kids and attempting to make the viewer think that he was best mates with the younger drivers in the paddock even though they didn't have a clue of who he was. In his first year, his knowledge was woeful and in the VT links he would make jokes that would fall flat with an older audience. C4 tried to have a young fronted presenter to pull in a younger crowd when they lost the F1 contact to Sky but they forgot that a lot of older viewers who didn't want to subscribe to Sky had no other means to watch the races. He alienated a whole lot of long time viewers. In his second year he reigned it back massively, was less of an irritant and improved his knowledge. Still wasn't the right person to front it my opinion.
Hahaha! Lazenby isn't by any means great but he can make a dull race seem like an epic wacky race with * Dastardly taking out the opposition with custard pies. He's really earning his beans this year on that front 🤣 But it's good that they pair him with a decent co-presenter so you can ignore him. I like Button, I also like Davidson. I don't know how I feel about Chandhok though, depends of what type of mood I'm in!
Edit: I'm thinking about Crofty. 😅
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend@TotosHeadphones You mean Richard Dastardly ofcourse
- TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace@SteveJackson You're right about Suzy Perry; when they brought her in to do the coverage, you could see she was really struggling which surprised me. She was great on the motorcycling, her knowledge was good. But she just seemed out of her depth in F1.
Ted's ok - TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace@ScarDuck14 Hahaha forgot that it's an American site and a name is so offensive 🤣
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend
I’m old school… Hire people solely on merit.
- TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@ScarDuck14Agreed but also allow them the opportunity to earn that merit. Then we won't ever be in the position where we feel people of certain genders (or ethnicities) are there just because
We really should get back on topic 🙂
- SteveJackson3 years agoHero (Retired)
@TotosHeadphones wrote:@ScarDuck14Agreed but also allow them the opportunity to earn that merit. Then we won't ever be in the position where we feel people of certain genders (or ethnicities) are there just because
We really should get back on topic 🙂
Seven pages later we are worried....why? 🙂
- TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace@SteveJackson We can talk about it till the cows come home, I don't mind, just "worried" that we'll forget the whole purpose of this thread 🙂
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend
@TotosHeadphonesBut earning that merit froms from working your way up and takes time. You don’t earn merit by simply being pushed in at the deep end to fill a quota.
As for taking threads off topic.. We are infamous for it. And is far better than just single post threads screaming about something like the FIFA boards.
- TotosHeadphones3 years agoSeasoned Ace@ScarDuck14 I think you're missing the point I'm making about getting the opportunity. It's not about the quota, it's about having the facilities or means to access that opportunity. As a pure example, females were banned from playing football for how many years after the men were established with so many leagues etc. They're now only really truly starting to invest in the game. Or the fact that schools never allowed girls to play football and had to play what maybe seen as a gendered sport in Netball. Now girls have an equal chance of getting the opportunity to play at higher levels because groundwork is there to do so. There are now more mixed teams kids football. That's what I mean about the opportunity, it's up to the to the individual to take it but it's there for them to work their way through on merit. No quota, if they're good enough, they're good enough but we won't know if they aren't given the equal chance to reach their potential. We see the quota when there not enough good people, so we get anyone to fill regardless of their quality.
- ScarDuck143 years agoLegend@TotosHeadphones Not missing the point at all… I fiercely defend the right for equal opportunity for everyone. What I don’t agree with is equality of outcome
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