Marcel Kiefer comparison ABS on/off
Here the link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NWRxcJ0iUek&feature=youtu.be
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I see this video earlier. Was quite pleased with myself when he realised that moving bias back to 52-4 would work better with ABS. As i instantly knew when I put ABS on that would be the case…. These so-called E-Sports Elites🙄😂. Marcel is the place I go for settings and setup inspiration. As I find his settings suit me better than all the other’s
@ScarDuck14 if I'm honest, I use ABS and I'd actually prefer that ABS "induced" more tyre wear. Not really because of online racing but because of career and GP modes.
- @RVladimiro With controller and old stiff fingers even with triggers on max I hardly notice and constantly lock up. I play single player so I use ABS. Even if I played multiplayer I’d still use ABS just cause how upset the sweats get 😂😇
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@RVladimiroWith controller and old stiff fingers even with triggers on max I hardly notice and constantly lock up. I play single player so I use ABS. Even if I played multiplayer I’d still use ABS just cause how upset the sweats get 😂😇@ScarDuck14 I normally didn't comment here in the forums, but seeing your comment here and the other thread about you downplay the people who want to balance the assists for competitive play as "Git Gud", "Sweats", or "Elitists" surely makes me triggered a little bit lol. I don't know if you intentionally just want to bait or genuinely feel that way, but I just want to vent out how balancing the assists is important as this is making me crazy lol.
So, when I was introduced by a friend of mine about this game in 2018, I also started by using almost full assists on the controller (auto, med TC, ABS, racing line), while my friend was using no assists also on controller. Well, naturally he was faster than me because he was using no assists and I was still new to the game. Fast forward to 2020, I decided to get better in the game by using no assists by using manual and no TC. The first few weeks is probably the most painful ones as I have to adjust my muscle memory, but I managed and the payout is so satisfying, as I finally be able to match or even faster than my friend's pace. At this point, I was thinking, "well I still have ABS on and line on, surely I was better than him!". Fast forward to 2021, I was able to use ABS off, although not comfortably as I still managed to lockup every now and then because of skill issues and it's really hard to get rid of my muscle memory as I used to brake really hard, exploiting the ABS. That realisation makes me more humble not gonna lie, cause that means I can only managed to beat him by using assists, and that make me feel really dirty lol. Because of that I also determined to learn no line, and it's even worse lol, it's mainly the consistency especially in the rain, where you have to really predict where the braking zones and what speed you have to make in every corner.
So my point is, assists should be use for newer players or someone with disability, or even stiffen fingers like you are or anything that makes anyone not comfortable with using, to make DRIVABILITY EASIER, not to make it FASTER than someone without. In this case, the most exploitable asissts that anyone can use to make them faster is definitely the ABS, as proven by Marcel's video above or Jarno's video about assists in 2021 game, where he said if he wants to exploit the ABS more, he probably could make it faster than without ABS. This is also evident in Time Trial leaderboards, where on almost every track, there is some people in the top 100 still using the ABS. I mean, beating my friend in the race while I use and exploit ABS really doesn't feel fair, it's like using a cheat but legal.
I feel like nerfing the ABS a little bit is not the end of the world to be honest, as this will encourage and motivate people to learn and improve. I also find because of the exploitable of the ABS, some people I raced with in a league community just doesn't bother to learning to use no assists and improve their driving at all, just because it's faster and they don't want to get out of their comfort zone, even though they played more hours than me. Joining a no assists league is not a great solution either, in a league community I join there is only 1 tier while the open assists league have 3 tiers. Which means in the no assists league, the pace spread is really wide, as I'm not the best player and average at best, I'm like 1.5-2 seconds off the pace with like the other 2 people, which means the 3 of us just raced each other in the back 😃, and sometimes it's just me alone in the back when the other 2 is not racing, so not exactly fun.
Don't exactly know how to nerf the ABS though, as the concept itself is already OP (no increase tyre wear and no lockup). Probably simulate the increase tyre wear if the braking actually trigger a lockup, and also probably make it more understeery (when it trigger a lockup of course). It doesn't have to be a big nerf, but just slightly and see how it goes.@MarvlintDo I bait them🤷🏻♂️. No I just don’t like Git Gud Elitists. That for as long as I’ve been posting always reply to younger, casual, noobs players who are seeking help and/or if mention they use assists. Or God forbid if they use assists online. Or TT. Just get told how they should sweat to git Gud and they are the problem with the game. And the proceed to shoehorn how amazing they are whilst belittling OP. Never do they post anything to actually help. Just get validation boasting how amazing they are at a simcade. And they have a high end pc and sim rig blah blah. This game is not a hardcore sim. Open lobbies in Multiplayer are not serious competition. Neither is ranked.
I have no issue with Elites I watch their videos all the time. But what makes them actual elites is they will race in an open lobby or a ranked race and not once get upset if someone using assists passés them.
Reason why is because they race for serious with serious money up for grabs: So when they want serious competition they race in leagues that ban all assists.. There are many many good leagues to join for those who want to be more serious. Or go and race on a proper hardcore sim such as Iracing.
Majority of people that play this game are F1 fans who want to have some fun Racing around in cars and on tracks they see on TV or from the stands. This is why the game is a game and not a sim. If those need assist to help better enjoy the game then all good: They pay the same money as everyone else. EA/Codemasters know if they take thx assists out of the game they would only sell a fraction of the games they currently do. Which will make the game financially unviable. So they are not going to remove assists. The issue isn’t those who use assists. The issue is those who get upset about people who do. Especially if you have the skills to not use assists. Then those racers have many many more options to enjoy better racing be it in a league or on another game:
Also I take nothing seriously and I bait git guders cause I’m a manchild and more as a reminder it’s not ok to bully and belittle anyone who does. There are lots of regulars who post on here who are Elite. And I love them very much as they do use their skills and spend time helping with whatever issues anyone has.
I’m sorry I triggered you. But spend as much time as I do on here and every new release has the toxic elitests flocking here. And TBH I don’t care what they post. If that’s how they need to validate themselves. It’s just words and the internet and I’m as thick as inches. But I know for a fact it stops people posting asking for help. Or I don’t like reading a post where the first line is apologising for asking for help. I’m friend to all and will help all. Including the git guders..More over as this is an official EA forum. It’s really not the place to moan about players who use assists. As EA/CM put assists in the game for players to use. So only people that really read about people moaning about assists are those who use assists. It’s not polite
