Marcel Kiefer comparison ABS on/off
Here the link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NWRxcJ0iUek&feature=youtu.be
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@MarvlintDo I bait them🤷🏻♂️. No I just don’t like Git Gud Elitists. That for as long as I’ve been posting always reply to younger, casual, noobs players who are seeking help and/or if mention they use assists. Or God forbid if they use assists online. Or TT. Just get told how they should sweat to git Gud and they are the problem with the game. And the proceed to shoehorn how amazing they are whilst belittling OP. Never do they post anything to actually help. Just get validation boasting how amazing they are at a simcade. And they have a high end pc and sim rig blah blah. This game is not a hardcore sim. Open lobbies in Multiplayer are not serious competition. Neither is ranked.
I have no issue with Elites I watch their videos all the time. But what makes them actual elites is they will race in an open lobby or a ranked race and not once get upset if someone using assists passés them.
Reason why is because they race for serious with serious money up for grabs: So when they want serious competition they race in leagues that ban all assists.. There are many many good leagues to join for those who want to be more serious. Or go and race on a proper hardcore sim such as Iracing.
Majority of people that play this game are F1 fans who want to have some fun Racing around in cars and on tracks they see on TV or from the stands. This is why the game is a game and not a sim. If those need assist to help better enjoy the game then all good: They pay the same money as everyone else. EA/Codemasters know if they take thx assists out of the game they would only sell a fraction of the games they currently do. Which will make the game financially unviable. So they are not going to remove assists. The issue isn’t those who use assists. The issue is those who get upset about people who do. Especially if you have the skills to not use assists. Then those racers have many many more options to enjoy better racing be it in a league or on another game:
Also I take nothing seriously and I bait git guders cause I’m a manchild and more as a reminder it’s not ok to bully and belittle anyone who does. There are lots of regulars who post on here who are Elite. And I love them very much as they do use their skills and spend time helping with whatever issues anyone has.
I’m sorry I triggered you. But spend as much time as I do on here and every new release has the toxic elitests flocking here. And TBH I don’t care what they post. If that’s how they need to validate themselves. It’s just words and the internet and I’m as thick as inches. But I know for a fact it stops people posting asking for help. Or I don’t like reading a post where the first line is apologising for asking for help. I’m friend to all and will help all. Including the git guders..
More over as this is an official EA forum. It’s really not the place to moan about players who use assists. As EA/CM put assists in the game for players to use. So only people that really read about people moaning about assists are those who use assists. It’s not polite
All good man, just want to have a discussion. Yeah, totally agree on the "actual" elitist where they belittle / flock people who uses assists. And for the record, I'm not saying that assists or ABS is bad, it's essential to make more people to play the game comfortably. Most of the assists is pretty balanced, they all have their trade offs pretty fair I think, with the exception of Pit Assist, where in some tracks you can just floor it to the pitlane and not have a penalty lol, but it's not the one that I want to talk about.
The other assists, such as TC or auto gears have a fair trade off in pace in my opinion, both TC and Gearbox have a +0.7 sec trade off based on Jarno's video in 21. Don't know about 23 but I assume it's the same. ABS on the other hand, has really small trade off in pace with only +0.1 sec based on Jarno's video, and with Marcel's new video it seems like it's still very powerful. Moreover, TT leaderboards confirm this with many players use ABS in TT leaderboards.
I mean, I get it's just a simcade, but is it wrong with wanting to balance assists out for more competitiveness? With how you can exploit the ABS, not doing anything to it just makes it more harm than good imho. The narratives where using ABS or any kind of assists can make you faster, can lead to one of the reason why so many people mock people who uses assists in the first place, cause they use that excuse so it makes them feel better. Not gonna lie, sometimes in the heat of the moment I felt that too.
- @Marvlint End of the day whether its popular or not elite players of any game are the minority, and its unwise to change any gaming experience in favour solely of the minority.
Heck i play Destiny 2 and i'm aware thats not everyones cup of tea but the amount of changes they've made over the years for the hardcore players because they've been so vocal on twitch or youtube has changed the experience for the worse ultimately killing the player base.
The same will happen with F1 if they kill assists whether thats popular or not its true.
The only thing they can do is to make assist/no assist only lobbies.
Scar isn't wrong in what he's saying its just not popular with the hardcore players because they always hunger for more challenge, but i guess thats why leagues exist ay.- @matty0blobber Awe man. About a year or so ago I had a look at Destiny 2 on ps Store. Just looking at the content made my brain explode. Then I watched a video on the game by the Act Man and I had no idea what I saw in ps store was nothing compared to the game menus
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@MarvlintEnd of the day whether its popular or not elite players of any game are the minority, and its unwise to change any gaming experience in favour solely of the minority.
Heck i play Destiny 2 and i'm aware thats not everyones cup of tea but the amount of changes they've made over the years for the hardcore players because they've been so vocal on twitch or youtube has changed the experience for the worse ultimately killing the player base.
The same will happen with F1 if they kill assists whether thats popular or not its true.
The only thing they can do is to make assist/no assist only lobbies.
Scar isn't wrong in what he's saying its just not popular with the hardcore players because they always hunger for more challenge, but i guess thats why leagues exist ay.@matty0blobber Yeah, balancing the ABS is tricky for sure, as it is already strong irl. The easiest solution is to make a no assists lobby or league you may say, but the sad reality is it's not popular like I said in the previous reply. My point is by nerfing the ABS to make it more consistent in the trade off in pace like the other assists, it will hopefully motivate people to not use it and improve their driving.
About what you said with the track limits on Qatar and also @ScarDuck14 about setups, yes I agree and it's has a similar issues on why people do it on ABS. People will abuse the heck out of it because it is faster and easier. Both of them should be fixed and resolved in some way, but we're mainly talking about ABS here. One at a time.
I understand that it's probably not a priority issue right now considering the current state of the game, but even the minority is also the one who are playing the game a lot every year, so raising this issue is not a bad thing imo. I just hope that Codemasters or EA could do something about this, even just a slight nerf is fine.
It's clear most users prefer to use some level of assists so why would/should the developer go against what the majority of their customer want?
Just to appease a minority? That makes absolutely no sense for a business.
If the time at a top of a leaderboards is what gives you satisfaction then turn ABS on. If satisfaction of driving without assists is what you want then do that. But why the need to moan about it either way?
- @Marvlint Also in all racing sims from Arcade to Sim. There are setup bizarre exploits/glitches that shouldn’t work but simply just how the code works are unavoidable. The developers don’t tell anyone what they are. But there are those who know how to find them. There are people who sell Meta ACC setups. Although I’ve not seen any of the setups. I’ve seen a few YouTubers test them. Firstly they are faster with the setup they purchased. Secondly on looking at the cars setup they say. Knowing everything they know about setting up a car. The setup they bought is one they would never dream off trying.. This game is no different. So you could argue as their car setups are not realistic they are using assists. But what’s more an issue than op assists in multiplayer is how easy it is to get cheat hacks to make you faster.
- @ScarDuck14 What has always confused me about elite players is how on one hand they strive for realism and competitiveness from the game yet they take stupidly wide and broken racing lines like on Qatar this year, I've never understood that.
- @matty0blobber The other thing is until sim races properly add the G-Forces and add the chance off dying when you get it wrong. It’s never going to be realistic. 😂
