Marcel Kiefer comparison ABS on/off
Here the link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NWRxcJ0iUek&feature=youtu.be
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This comparison with ABS on/off is popping out every year and i think it's a useless comparison. If you are fast, you are fast with assists or without them. If you can't see the proper racing line, the proper braking points so you won't compromise your exit, no assist will make you faster! In F1 22 i did a little test in Silverstone to see why a friend of mine is really slow, like 2-3 seconds in quali compared to me (he is using assists and he used to be at least as fast as me) and in 3 laps with TC full, automatic gearbox, abs on i was already at 0.200 behind my best time, so clearly that 2-3 seconds are not coming from using assists. And despite the fact i am not using ABS or TC, i am not even close to the top in time trial and i know it's because i am not exploting the game at maximum. If someone is beating me using assists i won't and i can't get mad because i know he was faster than me without assists too, just because he needed 2 weeks to get used to no abs or TC off or manual gearbox doesn't mean i am faster because in 2 weeks i will be behind him again.
@Hempyjr wrote:This comparison with ABS on/off is popping out every year and i think it's a useless comparison. If you are fast, you are fast with assists or without them. If you can't see the proper racing line, the proper braking points so you won't compromise your exit, no assist will make you faster! In F1 22 i did a little test in Silverstone to see why a friend of mine is really slow, like 2-3 seconds in quali compared to me (he is using assists and he used to be at least as fast as me) and in 3 laps with TC full, automatic gearbox, abs on i was already at 0.200 behind my best time, so clearly that 2-3 seconds are not coming from using assists. And despite the fact i am not using ABS or TC, i am not even close to the top in time trial and i know it's because i am not exploting the game at maximum. If someone is beating me using assists i won't and i can't get mad because i know he was faster than me without assists too, just because he needed 2 weeks to get used to no abs or TC off or manual gearbox doesn't mean i am faster because in 2 weeks i will be behind him again.
Yeah, I'm aware that when someone learned to drive without assists, their pace will be similar or even faster. In my own experiences, I found significant improvement by learning no TC and manual, I think about a second faster. The ABS however, I found not much of a difference between my pace. The benefit is so small, and also now I have added something more to worry about: lockups. This might be different from people to people of course, I have no idea on how you only got 0.2 sec difference even though you use almost full assists.
That is why I also use Jarno's video as a references, where he found that TC and Auto have a significant trade off by roughly 0.7 sec each, while ABS he found similar in pace by just 0.1 sec. Also on Marcel's video he said roughly the same.
Some people might interpret me wrong, I don't really mind that people drive faster than me using assists. It's just that it's a shame that some people just want an easy way out by not learning and improve their driving, even though I'm sure they can but decided not to because basically it's not worth the time as the payoff is not really worth it.
- @Marvlint I don't have any idea either how i got only 0.2 difference. Tho i guess it's because i am not an elite driver to squeeze everything out from the car and track and therefore my driving style is pretty constant at some level. That's why i said that who is fast with assists will be fast without them too. When you are esports driver and you extract almost everything from car and track (most of them are pretty close in terms of pace) you can the see the time difference between automatic gearbox and manual, for the rest of us doesn't matter who uses assists and who not. Some people like my friend doesn't have time and mood to learn how to play without assists, he just wants to start the game and enjoy it, me on the other side, i can't see myself driving again with all those assists 🙂
@HempyjrCan you suggest the best way or order to slowly come off the assists or remember how you did it?
I imagine its not wise or enjoyable to turn them all off straight away aha.- @matty0blobber Turning them all off straight away definetly not. One at a time and after a week or two after you are confortable with manual gearbox for example, you can try turning off ABS and then the same story with TC 🙂 Which one will be the hardest to get used too i don't know, it's different for everybody, for me it was the manual gearbox, forgeting to upshift after the corner or shifting in the wrong gear, but in time you get used to and do it automatically. But the best way is to not flashback if you play offline, if you use flashback you will do the same mistakes and will take longer to get used to, when you know you have only 1 chance to get it done you will try harder 🙂
@matty0blobber wrote:@HempyjrCan you suggest the best way or order to slowly come off the assists or remember how you did it?
I imagine its not wise or enjoyable to turn them all off straight away aha.My example of getting rid of assist was as follows: TC med, Auto, Line (since F1 2010, i.e. since the beginning) ➡️ TC off (since ~ F1 2018?) ➡️Auto off (since ~F1 2019?) ➡️Line off (since F1 2021?)
@matty0blobber wrote:@HempyjrCan you suggest the best way or order to slowly come off the assists or remember how you did it?
I imagine its not wise or enjoyable to turn them all off straight away aha.I'm in the process of doing this now. I only started playing with F1 22, used assists always.
For F1 23,I'm slowly going off of assists. I found ABS off first was the easiest to learn. Then TC. I went from full to off, skipping medium. I haven't done manual gear shifting yet but it's last on my list.
ABS was easy and quick for me. I'm getting solid at TC off but I couldn't do a 100% race without messing up once or twice yet. To learn, I used Time Trial and flashbacks. If you're struggling in a specific turn, just do it over and over and over using flashbacks. It eventually gets easier. Then, when you can do a lap usually with no spin outs, then just do that lap over she over, trying to beat your time.
They should add more stuff in f1 world that slowly removes assists, like track mastery removes the racing line, they could have a series that gradually removes tc and abs etc over the course of a few races at the same track.
This would encourage people to try more, rewards would have to be beefy though to further encourage people to try.
I race with...
- manual gears, found that easy to adjust to within a week.
- traction control last year I had on medium as it was too twitchy on off. This year I've switched off and it's manageable.
I'm currently in the process of turning the manual brakes off and finding it a challenge.
I'm guessing you need to adjust the car setups and brake bias etc as its definetly harder to get used to than it was when I turned other assists off.
Racing line I'm also in the process of trying to turn off. I think they could have a better system in the game to help with this. Racing line just in corners, then they should have something else between that and off I feel.
I also decided to wean myself off of assists this year. I always played with TC on medium and auto gears (I never liked the "feel" of ABS so I never used it). This year I'm only going to use auto gears!
Going well so far, it's a huge learning curve for me but I'll keep trying it.
- @Nylink Good on you for sticking with it. ABS is the hardest to get used to for me, so it helps that you've never used it.
On 22, I used medium TC, ABS and auto gears. But I switched the racing line off eventually and moved to cockpit cam.
This year, it's all off. I'm definitely slower at the moment but it's a far more immersive and exciting way to play the game. I'm not going to win any races but I've picked up a couple of podiums in ranked.
@Pepski wrote:
@NylinkGood on you for sticking with it. ABS is the hardest to get used to for me, so it helps that you've never used it.
On 22, I used medium TC, ABS and auto gears. But I switched the racing line off eventually and moved to cockpit cam.
This year, it's all off. I'm definitely slower at the moment but it's a far more immersive and exciting way to play the game. I'm not going to win any races but I've picked up a couple of podiums in ranked.It will come, trust me. 😉
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